<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"> Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in Bucharest?<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Hi Jody,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal below.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak to this work.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">=====</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list. We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC would like from our relationship.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source solutions to lead the way for many standards.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more effective in our standards collaboration;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce funds to do so; and</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE Community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process when we’re ready to start;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if required;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- you are happy for me to lead the effort; and</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot effort to work within.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <<a href="mailto:tomkralidis@gmail.com" class="">tomkralidis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo participation. More to come. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">..Tom</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" class="">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process several years ago.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">They then took CITE to another open source incubator.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial for all.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <<a href="mailto:bbasques@sharedgeo.org" class="">bbasques@sharedgeo.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">All,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team? Or is it more than that?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">bobb<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" class="">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if CITE Team engine could attend.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Enjoy the outback!<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7976155313152219522gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">--</div><div class="">Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Tom, Jody,</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet access.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community building. I’ve just started this process.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Kind regards,</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I have updated the <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/partners/ogc/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">OGC partnership page</a>:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?</div><div class="">- Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact point, is this something we can change?<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7976155313152219522gmail-m_-8307069684495893369gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">--</div><div class="">Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <<a href="mailto:tom.kralidis@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">tom.kralidis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our<br class="">
partnership with OGC came<br class="">
up in a few areas:<br class="">
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- invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint<br class="">
- provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board<br class="">
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Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks<br class="">
<br class="">
..Tom<br class="">
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