<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Perhaps we could consider a different approach for the European and North American events to the “Other Regions” particularly where the host country or region needs support to grow the local community (of course there could also be a case for growing a local community in NA or Europe).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">l think the challenge that we face is that we already have a lower expectation of surpluses from the event in “Other Regions”, if we now leave a larger share of the surplus in the region we will return very little to OSGeo in one of the 3 years of the FOSS4G cycle. I don’t know what proportion of OSGeo’s income comes from FOSS4G so I cannot guage the impact of reduced surpluses from FOSS4G. That may be a risk that the board is willing to accept, it is not for Conference Committee to decide. Till could you raise this topic with the board and provide some guidance to CC<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 7 Jan 2020, at 10:00, María Arias de Reyna <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com" class="">delawen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I'm trying to avoid jumping in this thread as I am a very interested party here. I don't want to influence much the general rules for future events based on what we need right now.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But consider this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I'm in favor of "capping out" the total to the local chapter. Unless<br class="">
a local chapter has a particular method for spending the funds in some<br class="">
useful way, I don't think that more than $10-30k is useful. </blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Having the funds in advance to be able to organize a regional and local event without having to worry when then money is going to be available on the bank account is a huge relief and helps a lot on the sustainability of the regional events. Maybe the question here is if we want a centralized OSGeo fund system or we rely on the local/regional chapters to be able to handle funds. Both options have advantages and disadvantages. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, probably a profit of 200k is too much for a regional/local chapter. And maybe 30k looks like a lot if you are thinking on organizing small events. But for example, when it comes to a regional event that wants to also have a TGP, that money in advance is key to be able to do it properly. Even when you are sure you will have profit, tickets and sponsors are incomings that can came too late.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>And I know what you are going to tell me: we can ask for money anytime so OSGeo gives us seed money or donations when needed, we don't need to store it ourselves. But right now I'm thinking on my particular case, where each transfer to/from Argentina is painful due to currency exchange. Giving money back to OSGeo in 2021 to ask again for money later means losing money on each conversion. Painful. And my "poor person" mindset quickly jumps into "better leave the money sitting here, we have time to give it back to OSGeo later if needed".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> IMHO we should prioritize empowering regional and local events and leaving "traces" of the OSGeo budget on different places can help a lot here. I bet Argentina is not the only case where fees or currency exchanges or similar "eats" a portion of the cake. Maybe others just assumed it as normal and didn't consider they can store part of that money instead of paying extra fees? The important thing is to use the money to keep OSGeo running. If it is centralized or not... I don't know that is best.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">TL;DR: Each chapter will have its own reasons to ask for a different profit percentage. Guidelines are good, but write them in stone may discourage some locations.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And I disappear again. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers!</div><div class="">María.<br class=""></div></div></div>
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