I agree with GIS being a source for many bad maps, but also a source for some good maps.<br><br>Cartography is a intricate part of GIS that has many variables as desires of the user, so it is really hard to cover all basis with a software.<br>
<br>The main idea, I guess, is to make map documents more interoperable, without the need to rebuild them all in <i>n</i> softwares.<br><br>As Carlos said, Cartography itself sees the world in a different way than GIS.<br>
<br>What are the major changes that we have in this model? Identifying this would be great and would help us to write a better framework.<br><br>George<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Carlos Gabriel Asato <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g_asato2000@yahoo.com">g_asato2000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Dear Laurent<br>
<br>In an old previous discussion there are a material about media output specification, please give us your impression about what we said.<br><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-August/000009.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-August/000009.html</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-August/000010.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-August/000010.html</a><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-August/000011.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-August/000011.html</a><br>
<br>I am also agreed that GIS usually makes bad maps but I think at this level of discussion this group is working on a "landscape model oriented cartographic program" that means a program that create cartography directly from
the landscape (geographic) data model (database). Please review the overview diagram at:<br><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-April/date.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/carto/2009-April/date.html</a><br>
<br>I know that european cartographers are trying to develop the architectural concepts about a real cartographic application but if this group will develop this system with open and readable structures, I think will be possible to developed something that agreed much better with cartographer expectation on top of this system. Unfortunately, I think, concepts around how to jump from landscape model cartography to real cartographic systems are not complete mature (may be you know any other papers or developments about this matter). The best operational work I 've seen is this matter was made by a french person (old owner of a cartographic french company now bought by ESRI) who was in Argentina about 5 years ago. I
do not remeber his name but is one of the authors of this work: <a href="http://ica.ign.fr/Leicester/paper/Hardy-v2-ICAWorkshop.pdf" target="_blank">http://ica.ign.fr/Leicester/paper/Hardy-v2-ICAWorkshop.pdf</a><br><br>
<div>I hope this information will help you<br><br>My best regards<br><br></div><div class="im">Gabriel Asato<br>Unidad Sensores Remotos y SIG<br>Servicio Geológico Minero Argentino<br>(SEGEMAR)<br>Av. Julio A. Roca 651 p 8 of 1<br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> Laurent Jégou <<a href="mailto:jegou@univ-tlse2.fr" target="_blank">jegou@univ-tlse2.fr</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b> George Silva <<a href="mailto:georger.silva@gmail.com" target="_blank">georger.silva@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">CC:</span></b> <a href="mailto:carto@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">carto@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado:</span></b> viernes, 9 de abril, 2010 3:44:19<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Asunto:</span></b> Re: [Carto] Map specifications<br></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>Hello all, i may be a little out of focus or range, but i'd like to emphasize a point. My work as a cartographer is mostly spent on drawing software like Illustrator (or Inkscape), and i could not forget to speak here about question of the the final media for the map being designed.<div>
<br></div><div>The media dictates the style of the elements composing the map, and that question raises two practical problems :</div><div><br></div><div>- the type of the media : screen / paper (so RGB of CYMK ?)</div><div>
<br></div><div>- the size of the media : physical size and resolution (screen, printer, diffusion media).</div><div><br></div><div>My point is that the final media occasions significant variations of the styling of the elements. So many ugly maps are automatically produced by GIS software not taking into account that the media will be CYMK and 300 dpi (colors not distinguishable, line too thin or aliased, etc.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>With html pages the problem is incompletely treated by css variants and proportional units (em). But if we want quality PDF output, thats important. The debate on "what's can be called a map" is (re-)emerging here in France, with the temptation to kick out of the definition the "simple" maps produced by GIS or analytical softwares.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards and thanks for the display of motivation :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Laurent<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Laurent Jégou<br>Cartographe et enseignant<br>UTM - Dépt. Géographie<br>31058 TOULOUSE Cedex 9 - 05.61.50.43.89<br>
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