<div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_3649599616092214546m_3378982491392603566gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span><font color="#000000">Dear all,</font></span></div><div><span><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><font color="#000000">Arnulf puts so nicely into words, what has concerned me in the last few days. How can we ever be a welcoming community if we presume guilt?</font></div><div><font color="#000000">The presumption of innocence is a core value of most (if not all?) of the justice systems we see as fair, why differ from that in OSGEO?</font></div><div><font color="#000000">In fact presumption of guilt might very well be seen as being in direct opposition to our current CoC and the basic values of our community.</font></div><div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000">I see a frustration regarding a current "case", where "conviction" is not possible, due to the balance of the </font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">given</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> evidence. </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Presumption of guilt might very well have changed this given case - but it would, in my mind, also be toxic and change our community for the (much) worse.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I therefore implore you: do not break down the basis of an open and fair community to "fix" a single case. The slope is slippery.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>Best regards,<div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 11:16, Arnulf Christl (aka Seven) <<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us" target="_blank">seven@arnulf.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Adding one more comment: Please, I implore you: Do not remove the
assumption of good faith from OSGeo's principles! <br>
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<p>"Assumption of good faith" and "Quietening down somebody" are
totally different things. In her blog on <a href="http://thebias.com" target="_blank">thebias.com</a> Annalee
somewhat hastily mixes the two up when she says: <br>
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<p><span style="font-weight:400">"The harm is that telling people
to “assume good intent” is a sign that if they come to you with
a concern, you will minimize their feelings, police their
reactions, and question their perceptions."</span></p>
<p>OSGeo and any open and welcoming community cannot exist without
assumption of good faith. The opposite to assuming good faith is
perfect paranoia which is only destructive. It is also quite
impossible to set up rules to regulate everything without
suffocating. So let us talk and interact as best we can from all
our gender, cultural and individual background. If it starts to
get out of hand - and this will happen again - look at it closely,
have concerned people on a functioning CoC and repair the damage.
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<p>Unfortunately I have not followed the issue which Sara Safawi
indicated as her reason to want to leave OSGeo closely enough to
be able to understand all the intricacies. But it actually did not
feel good, even from a distance. Maybe a functioning CoC could
have helped? People on a CoC have to take every complaint serious
<span style="font-weight:400">(reverse citing Annalee)</span>: Do
not "<span style="font-weight:400">minimize their feelings,
police their reactions, and question their perceptions". <br>
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<p><span style="font-weight:400">And lastly, sometimes it is also
time to let things go. If Sara has no intention of picking this
</span><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="font-weight:400">up again</span> we may want to let it
rest. <br>
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<p><span style="font-weight:400">Thanks,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight:400">Seven</span></p></div>
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