[OSGeo-Conf] [SAC] foss4g europe ticket

Eli Adam eadam at co.lincoln.or.us
Thu Nov 21 08:38:03 PST 2013 

I've put some of this information in the Handbook in draft form,
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Website

Best Regards, Eli

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Barry Rowlingson
<b.rowlingson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Arnulf, were you a librarian in a previous time?
>
> I hopefully designed the conference programme and timetable pages with best
> practice so they can be simply mirrored - this was also partly because I
> wasn't sure our amazon server would cope with dynamic site load anyway! That
> design paradigm also helps caching too.
>
> Once we're happy to make it static we can bung it on svn and if osgeo can
> check that out to make a static web site then marvellous. If we need to make
> further changes, perhaps to remove slanderous material, we can do that to an
> svn checkout, push changes, and someone with permissions can pull the
> changes to the live site.
>
> The only dynamic thing on the wordpress pages was a random ordering of the
> sponsors. When we make the static site one lucky sponsor will be above the
> rest for eternity.
>
> Barry
>
> On Nov 21, 2013 12:17 PM, "Jeremy Morley" <Jeremy.Morley at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think we're violently agreeing then ;-)
>>
>> -- ------------------------------------------------------------ --
>> Jeremy Morley
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 21/11/2013 11:56, "Seven (aka Arnulf)" <seven at arnulf.us> wrote:
>>
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>> >Exactly. This is also what I tried to suggest in an earlier mail:
>> >
>> >"... Registration, paper submission, etc. can be dynamic and get thrown
>> >away after use. The main page, abstract and presentation archive should
>> >be simple HTML."
>> >
>> >But apparently I have lost all my skills at communicating things. What I
>> >wanted to say is that the LOC has some responsibility to provide an
>> >archive version of their event. Not sure whether this is part of the
>> >handbook yet, it definitely should be (in my strange opinion).
>> >
>> >The basic problem is that OSGeo System Administration should not have to
>> >maintain several years of PHP clutter, maintain different databases and
>> >virtual machines just to be able to present a comprehensive archive of
>> >past FOSS4Gs. Hence there is some requirement for the LOC to make sure
>> >that what they create can be maintained over coming eons.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Arnulf
>> >
>> >
>> >On 21.11.2013 12:03, Jeremy Morley wrote:
>> >>
>> >> But surely the point is that the website should be capable of being
>> >> reduced to a simple, reduced interactivity version for transfer to and
>> >> archiving by FOSS4G (with a plan of action to actually do so), rather
>> >>than
>> >> specifying how it should be created and managed in its operational
>> >>phase?
>> >> It's the outcome not the interim that's important for archiving.
>> >>
>> >> (Essentially this is what we're about to do for the FOSS4G 2013's site
>> >> -
>> >> once we've put some final content on the site relating to feedback
>> >>reports
>> >> we will produce an archivable export. Our site would have had a shadow
>> >>of
>> >> its interactivity without the backend & upfront systems that Barry
>> >>worked
>> >> so hard on.).
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Jeremy
>> >>
>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------ --
>> >> Jeremy Morley
>> >> Geospatial Science Theme Leader, Nottingham Geospatial Institute,
>> >> Triumph Road, University of Nottingham. NG7 2TU, United Kingdom.
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>> >> Tel.:  +44/0 115 84 68411
>> >> Email: jeremy.morley at nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21/11/2013 10:23, "Seven (aka Arnulf)" <seven at arnulf.us> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 21.11.2013 00:38, Steven Feldman wrote:
>> >>>>> I'd hesitate to be too proscriptive about how the LOC develops their
>> >>>>>web
>> >>>>> content or to risk stifling innovation. I'd also question whether
>> >>>>>ease
>> >>>>> of archiving should be a major criteria in designing the web
>> >>>>> presence
>> >>>>> for an event
>> >>
>> >> Yes it should. We want to have an archive of FOSS4G events. Experience
>> >> shows that kindly provided ad-hoc servers suddenly disappear. OSGeo can
>> >> provide the continuity which is required to have a gapless record of
>> >> FOSS4G events.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Arnulf
>> >>
>> >>>>> ______
>> >>>>> Steven
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 20 Nov 2013, at 10:10, "Seven (aka Arnulf)" <seven at arnulf.us
>> >>>>> <mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jachym,
>> >>>>> all fine except that for archiving reasons it may be good to copy a
>> >>>>> static copy of the conference pages to OSGeo servers eventually - at
>> >>>>> latest after the event. Therefore maybe the LOC would be happy to
>> >>>>> maintain the web site on OSGeo servers to start with.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We might want to advise the LOC to implement their event website in
>> >>>>>an
>> >>>>> archivable format (avoid dynamic systems which require lots of
>> >>>>> maintenance, etc.). Registration, paper submission, etc. can be
>> >>>>>dynamic
>> >>>>> and get thrown away after use. The main page, abstract and
>> >>>>>presentation
>> >>>>> archive should be simple HTML.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Once agreed this is again something for the handbook...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>> Arnulf
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 19.11.2013 21:20, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Alex, big thanks for you work on this.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In aliment with #1247, we agreed, that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 1) europe.foss4g.org/index.html
>> >>>>>>>><http://europe.foss4g.org/index.html>
>> >>>>>>>> will be static page, preferably on OSGeo
>> >>>>>>>> server, pointing to every year's conference page
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2) europe.foss4g.org/YEAR <http://europe.foss4g.org/YEAR> will
>> >>>>>>>>point
>> >>>>>>>> to every year servers, hosted by
>> >>>>>>>> local organization committee (every year different).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Reason for this: avoid any work from OSGeo system admins in the
>> >>>>>>>> future,
>> >>>>>>>> so that we can go on year after year using this configuration, by
>> >>>>>>>> just
>> >>>>>>>> adding new YEAR redirection to yet-another-server.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Basically, I'm all for *any* solution, which will lead to the
>> >>>>>>>>state,
>> >>>>>>>> where we will have infrastructure, which could be easy setuped
>> >>>>>>>>every
>> >>>>>>>> year. As you are writing, DNS would be best solution (not sure,
>> >>>>>>>> whether
>> >>>>>>>> europe.fos4g.org/2014 <http://europe.fos4g.org/2014> can be
>> >>>>>>>> considered as valid DNS record).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I think, moving conference page to osgeo server would be too
>> >>>>>>>> complicated
>> >>>>>>>> (server admins would have to change year-after year, it will be
>> >>>>>>>> usually
>> >>>>>>>> probably hosted on some university server ...) I'm not sure, what
>> >>>>>>>>it
>> >>>>>>>> would mean for you guys, and I just want to avoid any future
>> >>>>>>>> work,
>> >>>>>>>> since
>> >>>>>>>> I appreciate what you are already doing for us (OSGeo).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thank you
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jachym
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Dne 18.11.2013 19:34, Alex Mandel napsal(a):
>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2013 03:19 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> could please anybody have a short look at the ticket #1247,
>> >>>>>>>>>> regarding
>> >>>>>>>>>> setting up the domain and e-mail adresses for the FOSS4G-Europe
>> >>>>>>>>>> organization committee?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you have still some quiestions, which need to be clarified?
>> >>>>>>>>>>Is
>> >>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>> "just" lack of time?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Jachym
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1247
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I think there are still some questions. I ended up putting in a
>> >>>>>>>>> proxy
>> >>>>>>>>> just to make it work for now. But if you're going to host
>> >>>>>>>>>everything
>> >>>>>>>>> over on the server indicated should we just point the DNS
>> >>>>>>>>>directly
>> >>>>>>>>> there? Or did you want to move the site over to an osgeo server?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Mostly this all gets more complicated when dealing with SSL for
>> >>>>>>>>> logins.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Email stuff is completely out of my hands but that looks like
>> >>>>>>>>> others are
>> >>>>>>>>> looking into it. Agreed the DNS and email stuff are separate
>> >>>>>>>>> tickets and
>> >>>>>>>>> Arnulf's questions about branding are an even bigger discussion
>> >>>>>>>>> amongst
>> >>>>>>>>> all the current europe conference groups.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>> Alex
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>> Sac at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Sac at lists.osgeo.org>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
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>> >>>>>>>>
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