[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)

Peter Batty peter at ebatty.com
Wed Sep 23 14:32:35 PDT 2015


Hi Jeff, yes I'd support doing that. If you are willing to make the motion
that would be great. I think it's an important part of OSGeo's mission to
keep these videos online - from what several of us have heard from
different sources, people see them as valuable. I think $200 is a small
amount in the scheme of things, and this buys us some time to figure out
our longer term solution.

Cheers,
    Peter.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> wrote:

> I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to approve
> the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer?  Let me know and I will start
> that vote if needed.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:
>
>> I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and
>> he said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really
>> like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider
>> spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one
>> more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <sara at sarasafavi.com
>> <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all --
>>
>>     I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to
>>     others, but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to
>>     retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost
>>     in the ether until the account is renewed?
>>
>>     I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had
>>     someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online.
>>     They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by
>>     chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).
>>     Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily affect more than
>>     just myself & my PDX talk.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>     Sara
>>
>>     On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman
>>     <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Bob
>>
>>         Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and
>>         volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc).
>>         Using multiple services is going to become very cumbersome and
>>         is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless the video
>>         volunteers have a lot of time available.
>>
>>         Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at
>>         FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the
>>         effort involved in having downloadable archives with the
>>         likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of maintaining
>> them.
>>
>>
>>         ______
>>         Steven
>>
>>
>>         On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>         <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this
>>>         to the GENERAL list)
>>>
>>>         Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>>         But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.
>>>
>>>         No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only
>>>         that they are not obviously made known by the YouTube
>>>         service.  I’ve known for a long time how to download from
>>>         YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an explanation how to
>>>         do so as on other sites.
>>>
>>>         Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even
>>>         though they may allow it.  And I’m not totally convince, after
>>>         I went back and read their usage agreement again.  Still a
>>>         little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>>>
>>>         I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on
>>>         service as a repository.  Maybe require two or three different
>>>         free services to be used would be the best approach.
>>>
>>>         bobb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross
>>>>         <andrew.ross at eclipse.org <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Dear Bob,
>>>>
>>>>         Some of this may be things you & others may already know.
>>>>
>>>>         The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it &
>>>>         even automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see
>>>>         info about this.
>>>>
>>>>         For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared
>>>>         trivially via. email or social media and embedded into any
>>>>         external site. This is very common and a good idea.
>>>>
>>>>         Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best
>>>>         practice to complete meta data for the video (talk title,
>>>>         description) and tag the videos with keywords (project,
>>>>         topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes them a lot easier
>>>>         to find and relate to other talks shared by other people on
>>>>         the same topics.
>>>>
>>>>         Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>         A
>>>>
>>>>         On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>         All,
>>>>>
>>>>>         I like to think of these types of media as a Library of
>>>>>         sorts.  And keeping them available is in the best interests
>>>>>         of the community.  I have no way of calculating the benefits
>>>>>         however.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them),
>>>>>         there are defaults like 15min length, etc.  Things that the
>>>>>         average joe may have problems with as far as uploading
>>>>>         something. The limit can be increased, but that would
>>>>>         require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to
>>>>>         projects be best accomplished with YouTube?  Via an outside
>>>>>         database, or??  I ask this now since it’s seems relevant if
>>>>>         this topic leads to it’s logical conclusion of bringing
>>>>>         media together into a single repository.
>>>>>
>>>>>         bobb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald
>>>>>>         <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>>
>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         David,
>>>>>>         I personally feel that it is better to react than doing
>>>>>>         nothing,even if,as you said "the technology is moving
>>>>>>         fast", still many did so amazing work that we should keep
>>>>>>         trace of it …
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so
>>>>>>         loved SAC community without expensing at least a small
>>>>>>         amount of money …Sorry I know I spoke too much about it
>>>>>>         during this week, but still … if our president deserve to
>>>>>>         have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <percyd at pdx.edu
>>>>>>>         <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our
>>>>>>>         own servers, in addition to a public consumption interface
>>>>>>>         like one of the services we have been discussing.
>>>>>>>         This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship
>>>>>>>         issue. We need to perhaps have a longer view... With
>>>>>>>         content tags and stuff. But not so difficult that it
>>>>>>>         becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore never
>>>>>>>         gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal
>>>>>>>         already?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the
>>>>>>>         rapidly changing technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc
>>>>>>>         status that it is, and just let each LOC deal with it.
>>>>>>>         Just a thought,
>>>>>>>         Percy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>>         <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>         I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want
>>>>>>>         our content to have the widest possible real, won’t that
>>>>>>>         come through YouTube?
>>>>>>>         ______
>>>>>>>         Steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>>         <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>>         <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Bob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         They are creative commons licensed and downloading is
>>>>>>>>         trivial. Just landed returning from Seoul so I'll post
>>>>>>>>         how to do so tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob
>>>>>>>>         (CI-StPaul)" <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>         Andrew,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         I have a problem with the YouTube License.  Once it’s up
>>>>>>>>         there, they get to use it however they want, forever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading
>>>>>>>>         anything for saving as a local copy from YouTube (at
>>>>>>>>         least not legally).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees
>>>>>>>>         your content., etc.  I’ll be the first to admit though,
>>>>>>>>         that not everyone will care about this, until they do,
>>>>>>>>         and then it will be too late.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         bobb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>>>         <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the
>>>>>>>>>         search/indexing can't be beat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no
>>>>>>>>>         contest.. YouTube wins imho.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>>>>         <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Regards
>>>>>>>>>         Steven
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         +44 (0) 7958 924101 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101>
>>>>>>>>>         Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman
>>>>>>>>>         <darrell at garnix.org <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Aww crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took
>>>>>>>>>         some of the videos offline. I didn’t think that was
>>>>>>>>>         going to happen — I guess I mis-read the consequences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and
>>>>>>>>>         consolidate all the foss4g videos there (including the
>>>>>>>>>         forthcoming 2015).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay
>>>>>>>>>         for? It’s $200/year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Darrell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>>>         <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Edit . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Oops, I mean just FOSS4G.   Looks like a few of the
>>>>>>>>>         videos that were on Vimeo have gone missing, besides
>>>>>>>>>         mine.  At least based on the links from here:  Maybe
>>>>>>>>>         something has changed on Vimeo??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         bobb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>>>         <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from
>>>>>>>>>         FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to
>>>>>>>>>         be missing.  It used to be there.  Unless I’m using a
>>>>>>>>>         bad search filter . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         bobb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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