[OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial expectations
Venka
venka.osgeo at gmail.com
Tue Sep 13 00:01:23 PDT 2016
Hi All,
On 2016/09/13 12:26, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> After 10 years of successfully organization of FOSS4G International
> conferences (Big thanks to conference chairs and LoC for that),
> I think that we are more than ready to explore new model
> that will not only sacrifice the comfort level of participants and
that should read *not sacrifice*
Venka
> LoC but also be able to reduce cost for our participants.
>
> Having started out in 2006 when the conference was organized in an
> academic institute, we should explore and try out new ways and means
> for at least the 2018 and 2019 conferences. This will gives us a chance
> to compare and get reactions from a broad membership on cost performance.
>
> I also think that we should seek feedback form our charter members about
> the way we choose to organize our global conferences. I have a
> feeling that many of the participants (including our Charter Members)
> will be quite happy with attending conferences with offer reasonable
> comfort at lower costs. I have also heard privately from many charter
> about exploring ways to lowering registration costs.
>
> Best
>
> Venka
>
>
>
> On 9/13/2016 6:33 AM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
>> Thanks for being more detailed. So ICC 550 dollars for 5 days. Is
>> there every year?
>> Maria
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>> Sent from my Samsung device
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: b.j.kobben at utwente.nl
>> Date: 12/09/2016 23:25 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: Maria Antonia Brovelli <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>,
>> guido at guidostein.com, till.adams at fossgis.de,
>> conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial expectations
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>> But for both ICC and EGU its also true they have much longer history
>> plus these are organisations payed for by institutional members
>> (paying pretty hefty member fees), therefore have a much more solid
>> funding mechanism...
>>
>> Plus ICC is not 8 days for that fee, that is for the "technical
>> sessions" only (5 days); the workshops in the programme are
>> independent of the main conference and have their own fees.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Barend Köbben
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>> On 12/09/16 22:52, "Conference_dev on behalf of Maria Antonia
>> Brovelli" <conference_dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org on behalf of
>> maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
>>
>> Anyway,
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>> Cartographic Association --> Washinghton 2-9 July 2017 ,
>> http://icc2017.org/registration-fees-and-deadlines/ (8 days) at most
>> $550
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>> EGU --> European Geosciences Union
>> General Assembly 2016
>> Vienna | Austria | 17–22 April 2016 (6 days) at most 550 euro
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>> As you can see ISPRS is not the only example. And if you dig you
>> can find more.
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>> Again, the problem is the model you have in mind.
>> Best.
>> Maria
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>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>> Politecnico di Milano
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>> ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping
>> (C3M)";OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa
>> Challenge;
>> SIFET
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>> ________________________________________
>> Da: Guido Stein <guido at guidostein.com>
>> Inviato: lunedì 12 settembre 2016 19.29
>> A: Maria Antonia Brovelli; till.adams at fossgis.de; conference
>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial expectations
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>> Maria,
>>
>> I was excited to hear about a event that holds 1,500 and keeps its
>> costs down, I don't think that this is a comparable event for many
>> reasons.
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>> 1. The ISPRS conference is run only once every four years. This
>> means that they can spend more time raising money.
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>> 2. The ISPRS conference is run by a foundation with multiple
>> sustaining members. This gives the organization a lot of potential
>> money to subsidize the entrance fee. Some sustaining members pay 3,000
>> a year, that is 12,000 per sustaining member that could
>> help support the cost of the conference.
>>
>> 3. The top three sponsorship tiers are much higher than our
>> current tiers at:
>>
>> * €100,000
>> * €75,000
>> * €50,000
>>
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>> 4. The ISPRS has been around since 1910. They have been building
>> resources a lot longer than OSGeo.
>>
>> 5. Costs for a basic ticket start at 600 then goes up to 890, and
>> costs with food starts at 790 and goes up to 1080. While you may get
>> more days out of this, I don't think the costs are really all that far
>> off from what we are charging.
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>> The ISPRS conference and foundation have many resources that make
>> it possible for them to lower the entrance fee. Because of this I
>> don't feel that this conference is comparable to the FOSS4G.
>>
>>
>> As stated by others in this list, running a conference for 800-900
>> is complicated due to the type of venue that you need to hold it. I
>> believe that all the people involved in the many LOC's have done their
>> best to bring the cost down.
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>> I appreciate you sharing this event with the group. I am always
>> happy and interested in hearing about other events and learning how
>> they kept their costs down.
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>> Thanks for your time and input,
>>
>>
>> Guido Stein
>>
>> Co-Chair
>> FOSS4G Boston 2017
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>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
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>> The ISPRS Conference I mentioned hosted 1500 attendees.
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>> Maria
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>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>> Politecnico di Milano
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>> ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping
>> (C3M)";OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa
>> Challenge;
>> SIFET
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>> ________________________________________
>> Da:till.adams at fossgis.de <till.adams at fossgis.de>
>> Inviato: lunedì 12 settembre 2016 16.42
>> A: Maria Antonia Brovelli; conference
>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial expectations
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Gert-Jan brings it to the point in my eyes.
>>
>> Beside what he said we know that it is very difficult to separate
>> attendees within a venue between "eaters" and "non-eaters".
>> Many people liked the way we did with almost no controls. There was
>> only one at the main entrance, after that you could be anywhere.
>> So, do we want somebody to control every badge before someone takes a
>> plate of food or a drink?
>>
>> Again, in my eyes the point is to differentiate between smaller (and
>> cheaper with less comfort) regional events and a global FOSS4G -
>> where
>> total costs of attendance ("TCA") are higher simply because of
>> travel,
>> accommodation and higher costs. One important point to aim on
>> (there was
>> a discussion in that direction few weeks ago) in my eyes is to bridge
>> our community together with neighboured communities, business and
>> large
>> public administrations - which requires a "professional"
>> conference with
>> the potential to host up to 1000 attendees.
>>
>> And hey, do we really want to replace the cost-barrier (which is only
>> to a minor part due to the TCA) with a restricted-places barrier?
>> Come on, keep being realistic!
>>
>> I am convinced that success of past FOSS4G global events speaks for
>> itself (++800 attendees on all events in NA and Europe since
>> 2010), so
>> why change such a success story, going back to Universities and loose
>> contact to institutions that are really important for the growth of
>> FOSS4G-Community as a whole?
>>
>> Please don't do that!
>>
>> Till
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 2016-09-12 10:13, schrieb Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl):
>> > Maria, others,
>> >
>> >
>> > First of all: I hope this thread is not meant to discuss the
>> > Boston-2017 setup, but the financial aspect of 2018 and onward.
>> > Boston
>> > 2017 is on it's way, based upon the bid they presented.
>> >
>> > As a member of the Bonn-2016 LOC, and as visitor of FOSS4G-2015
>> Como,
>> > and 2 local German speaking events (FOSSGIS) in 2015 (Münster) and
>> > 2013 (Rapperswil) I note that there is a main difference between a
>> > less than 500 attendees event (at an university: Como, Münster,
>> > Rapperswill), and more than 500 attendees event, which due to it's
>> > size almost by definition have to take place at a commercial
>> congress
>> > center. The latter brings more luxury (whether you like it or not)
>> > since that's congress centers focus.
>> > Standard package deals with congress centers' preferred
>> suppliers for
>> > catering, technique etc. almost can't be avoided, unless you pay a
>> > sort of penalty fee.
>> >
>> > Other expenses, including recorded and/or live-streaming video
>> are a
>> > relative small part of the total expenses. Availability of cheap
>> > flights and/or cheap hotel accommodation has a far greater
>> impact on
>> > the TCA (total costs of attending).
>> >
>> > Organizing a FOSS4G in the Como/Münster/Rapperswil way; at a
>> relative
>> > low cost venue such a university keeps the costs low, but almost
>> > certainly will face you with the fact that demand (number of
>> > potential
>> > attendees) will be higher than supply (the number of available
>> > seats).
>> > That's a serious consideration to be made. And if so: would one
>> > reserve a certain amount of ticket for each continent/local
>> > chapter/OS
>> > Geo project?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Gert-Jan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Maria Antonia Brovelli schreef op 12-09-2016 0:23:
>> >> One possibility is to consider different fees. As an example
>> you can
>> >> see the fees for last ISPRS Conference in Prague (8 days of
>> >> conference):
>> >> http://www.isprs2016-prague.com/fees/
>> >> Personally I prefer to eat simply a sandwich and be able to pay
>> the
>> >> registration for a PhD student of mine ;-)
>> >> Why not consider a basic fee of 100 dollar/day and a full one with
>> >> lunches and gala dinner?
>> >> Maria
>> >> Maria
>> >> ISPRS 2016 - Fees & Registration [3]
>> >> www.isprs2016-prague.com<http://www.isprs2016-prague.com>
>> <http://www.isprs2016-prague.com>
>> >> Registration for Financial Assistance for the XXIII ISPRS
>> Congress.
>> >> Deadline for Financial Assistance applications 20 March 12 p.m.
>> CET.
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------
>> >> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> >> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>> >> Politecnico di Milano
>> >> ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)";
>> >> OSGeo;
>> >> ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge;
>> >> SIFET
>> >>
>> >> SOL KATZ AWARD 2015
>> >> Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALY)
>> >> Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321
>> >> e-mail1: maria.brovelli at polimi.it
>> >> e-mail2: prorettrice at como.polimi.it
>> >> -------------------------
>> >> DA: Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
>> >> INVIATO: domenica 11 settembre 2016 23.39
>> >> A: Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> >> CC: Michael Terner; Venkatesh Raghavan; Guido Stein; conference
>> >> OGGETTO: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial expectations
>> >> Maria
>> >> Could you share some of the numbers from your conference:
>> >> Venue fees
>> >> Number of delegates
>> >> Number of streams
>> >> Cost for video
>> >> Catering cost per head
>> >> Icebreaker
>> >> Gala night
>> >> Other major costs
>> >> Do you think you would have been able to accommodate 800-900
>> people
>> >> at
>> >> those rates in that venue? If so we should look at Como for 2019.
>> >> I think the economics will vary for each city and venue.
>> Perhaps we
>> >> should make it clear that we would welcome alternative venue and
>> >> cost
>> >> proposals that potentially make the event cheaper to attend
>> without
>> >> excluding the possibility of a higher priced venue. If we get
>> >> options
>> >> running between say $200 for the 3 days and $650 then the
>> conference
>> >> committee will have an interesting choice to make.
>> >> For 2018 we could also express our desire to make the event as
>> >> accessible as possible and see what options are submitted?
>> >> ______
>> >> Steven
>> >>
>> >>> On 11 Sep 2016, at 22:28, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> >>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
>> >>> Dear Michael, I wonder how it was possible for me to organize a
>> >>> conference with a fee of 100 euro for 3 days ( 50 euro for
>> >>> students). I understand that Boston is more expensive than Como.
>> >>> But
>> >>> more than three times? Is it not possible to organize the
>> >>> conference
>> >>> at one university? Keeping the costs low means giving more
>> >>> possibility of participation to the people of our community.
>> >>> Many thanks!
>> >>> Maria
>> >>> Sent from my Samsung device
>> >>> -------- Original message --------
>> >>> From: Michael Terner <mgt at appgeo.com>
>> >>> Date: 11/09/2016 18:49 (GMT+01:00)
>> >>> To: Venkatesh Raghavan <venka.osgeo at gmail.com>, Michael Terner
>> >>> <mgt at appgeo.com>, Guido Stein <gstein at appgeo.com>
>> >>> Cc: conference <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial
>> expectations
>> >>> As the group in the "on deck circle", this has been a very
>> >>> interesting and important thread to read. I hope that sharing the
>> >>> Boston team's outlook and perspective is useful to this
>> >>> conversation. Indeed, many of the things we believe and are
>> >>> pursuing
>> >>> are already reflected:
>> >>> * As Venka observes, we are not pursuing a "budget venue"
>> >>> approach. We are in a large, urban city and as Steven wrote the
>> >>> economics for finding this kind of space make $100/day really,
>> >>> really difficult (if not impossible). But, we also believe we are
>> >>> in
>> >>> a desirable location with a dynamic tech city and an incredible
>> >>> academic community that will help draw interest. We also want to
>> >>> create a local, regional and USA buzz so that Boston is The Place
>> >>> to
>> >>> Be for understanding some of the international trends in geo open
>> >>> source, and even the _ geo industry_ more broadly. As Eddie
>> Pickle
>> >>> has observed, why shouldn't FOSS4G be the #2 "geo event" on the
>> >>> planet? In other words, one of our goals is to attract _more_
>> >>> people
>> >>> who will be able to pay the full costs of the conference. From
>> our
>> >>> vantage, this shouldn't be a "low budget affair", it should be an
>> >>> important "international happening."
>> >>> * That said, we fully understand the reality and necessity to
>> keep
>> >>> the show as affordable as possible, and that there are very
>> >>> important communities that we would like to have attend where the
>> >>> published costs will be a challenge. We have plans for student
>> >>> volunteers and other kinds of discounts already. But, the way
>> that
>> >>> some of the conference economics work, there is a tipping point
>> >>> where a larger conference actually can be a lower of the core
>> >>> conference costs (i.e., the venue, wifi, video, etc.) are
>> prorated
>> >>> across more people. We want to be the first FOSS4G to draw >1,000
>> >>> people and we think we have a good shot at it. We also are
>> going to
>> >>> be very aggressive in pursuing sponsorship, both from the
>> >>> established sponsor community, but also from first time sponsors,
>> >>> and tech companies in Boston. This too will help generate revenue
>> >>> and control costs. If we meet our attendance and sponsorship
>> goals,
>> >>> we will return a significant profit to OSGeo and we hope that
>> those
>> >>> profits can be used for the kinds of programs that Eli mentioned,
>> >>> i.e., committees that distribute travel grants; or provide
>> support
>> >>> to events in the developing world; etc. Indeed, we have already
>> >>> proposed to follow Cameron's suggestion and expressed our
>> return of
>> >>> profit to OSGeo as a percentage. Our proposal states returning
>> 80%
>> >>> of profits up to $100K, and 100% of profits that are above $100k
>> >>> should we be lucky enough to be that successful.
>> >>> Having just returned from Bonn, we are more excited and more
>> >>> committed than ever (I just posted a blog on my impressions and
>> >>> experiences [1]). And, we believe we can follow Till's and the
>> Bonn
>> >>> LOC's example in making this an exciting and dynamic event in a
>> >>> unique part of the world. Bonn's World Conference Center venue
>> was
>> >>> worth its cost and added greatly to the event. We believe people
>> >>> will come to this kind of event; and we are equally committed in
>> >>> using the paying audience as a means of controlling costs and/or
>> >>> providing discounts to those who need them.
>> >>> All the best...
>> >>> MT
>> >>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan
>> >>> <venka.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> I do not think we need to select a "budget venue".
>> >>> Wonderful venues (perhaps, better than what we have seen thus
>> far)
>> >>> are available at a lower price in low-income countries.
>> >>> I do not talk of any compromise on "core items" expected in
>> >>> FOSS4G conferences. Is video streaming a "core item" which
>> >>> was only recently possible in FOSS4G conferences?
>> >>> If we say that this is a "core item", that is as good as
>> >>> saying that FOSS4G conferences will be organized only in
>> >>> OECD countries.
>> >>> Venka
>> >>> On 9/10/2016 5:29 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> >>> Hi Venka,
>> >>> I think that you are on the right track discussing "lower budget"
>> >>> foss4g
>> >>> conference in "lower income" countries.
>> >>> While the Global FOSS4G is firstly an international "gathering of
>> >>> the
>> >>> tribes" and should prioritise needs of the international
>> attendees,
>> >>> we
>> >>> should recognise that historically over half the attendees come
>> >>> from
>> >>> the
>> >>> local region. I agree that it makes sense to see what can be done
>> >>> to
>> >>> help attract local attendees. If that means minimising costs,
>> maybe
>> >>> by
>> >>> selecting budget venues etc, then a LOC should have the
>> flexibility
>> >>> to
>> >>> suggest such options. However, selection budget options,
>> should not
>> >>> translate to reducing the core items which are expected in FOSS4G
>> >>> conferences.
>> >>> Warm regards, Cameron
>> >>> On 10/09/2016 1:47 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>> >>> Hi Cameron,
>> >>> My comments inline.
>> >>> On 9/9/2016 9:05 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> >>> Hi Venka,
>> >>> Thanks for suggesting specific ideas to implement.
>> >>> For this email thread, I'd like to focus on your suggestions
>> >>> related
>> >>> to
>> >>> financial expectations, so we can take it through to resolution.
>> >>> Namely,
>> >>> your item 5. Defining how profit should be returned to OSGeo.
>> >>> I suggest it is safer to define budget returned to OSGeo as a
>> >>> percentage
>> >>> of profit. As profit closely aligns with number of attendees,
>> >>> profit
>> >>> will be larger for larger events. Europe and US have historically
>> >>> attracted larger attendance than "Rest of World" and hence will
>> >>> return
>> >>> larger profit. As such, OSGeo should expect to earn less in "Rest
>> >>> of
>> >>> World" years.
>> >>> Yes, I agree with above. However "Rest of the World" include only
>> >>> low-income countries and not high-income countries like
>> Australia,
>> >>> Japan, Korea etc. FOSS4G Conferences in low-income countries may
>> >>> spend
>> >>> less (lower venue and food costs) and also earn less compared to
>> >>> events
>> >>> in Europe and North America.
>> >>> I thought the RFP defined an expected budget to be returned to
>> >>> OSGeo
>> >>> under conservative estimates, but I can't find reference to it.
>> >>> (Maybe
>> >>> someone else can point to it).
>> >>> For management of special interest programs and sponsorship, I
>> >>> suggest
>> >>> refer to the email thread "FOSS4G Simplicity" started by Eli
>> Adam,
>> >>> suggesting the be coordinated outside of the FOSS4G LOC (Like the
>> >>> academic track).
>> >>> I agree to making thinks easier and simpler coordinating Academic
>> >>> Track,
>> >>> Awards, Travel Grants outside the LoC.
>> >>> Best
>> >>> Venka
>> >>> On 9/09/2016 10:03 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>> >>> My Comments inline.
>> >>> On 9/9/2016 7:40 AM, Steven Feldman wrote:
>> >>> Maria
>> >>> Nice image, what are you suggesting in terms of the RfP? ______
>> >>> Steven
>> >>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 22:03, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> >>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
>> >>> <equity.jpg>
>> >>> Dear Cameron I prefer to take into account the differences among
>> >>> countries. We want to elicit people developing and using open
>> >>> source and we want to walk all together toward this result.
>> >>> Equality often is not the best choice. Best regards Maria
>> >> +1 for Maria's suggestion.
>> >> I would suggest the following;
>> >> 1) There was some comment on issue of too many people
>> >> requesting for free conference passes.
>> >> We need to clearly decide a guideline for offering free passes.
>> >> Free passes only offered to main Workshop Trainer, Keynote
>> speakers
>> >> and
>> >> student volunteers? Apart from that *no one* gets a free pass.
>> >> 2) continue the discounted conference fee model for
>> >> low-income countries. This model has been successfully
>> >> used in FOSS4G-2015
>> >> 3) Offer Travel support only for participants who are
>> >> have their presentation accepted at the FOSS4G conference.
>> >> 4) Are we considering live streaming in future FOSS4G events?
>> >> In that case, request local chapters to organize local
>> "FOSS4GFest"
>> >> during the duration of the main FOSS4G Conference and
>> >> take advantage of watching the live-streaming along with
>> >> the local community members who are unable to physically make it
>> >> to the FOSS4G event.
>> >> 5) Consider recommending LoC to return a minimum fixed amount
>> >> of profit to OSGeo. Taking into account, that OSGeo annual
>> >> budget for 2015 is $75,000, we could consider having $50K-$60K
>> >> returned from the profit to OSGeo foundation when FOSS4G is
>> >> organized in high-income countries and $25K-$30K when FOSS4G
>> >> is organized in low-income countries (they can retain part of
>> >> the profit for organizing events to grow local communities, but
>> >> should submit a budget report in subsequent FOSS4G conferences
>> >> as to how the profits were used). This will help the foundation to
>> >> sustain the "Travel Grant", "Student Award" and "Code Sprint" at
>> >> FOSS4G events.
>> >> 6) If the LoC of FOSS4G event is able to generate more profit
>> >> that stated in item 5 above, let them have a say in planning
>> >> how such "extra" profit will be used in future.
>> >> 7) Consider a upper cap on the conference registration fee.
>> >> I would suggest $100/day of conference event when organized
>> >> in high-income countries. This would be much lower when FOSS4G
>> >> is organized in a low-income country
>> >> Best
>> >> Venka
>> >>
>> >>> Sent from my Samsung device
>> >>> -------- Original message -------- From: Cameron Shorter
>> >>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> Date: 08/09/2016 22:53 (GMT+01:00)
>> To:
>> >>> conference <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org> Subject: Re:
>> >>> [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G Handbook - Financial expectations
>> >>> Ok, lets start working through Steven's list one item at a time,
>> >>> starting a new email thread for each.
>> >>> Once we have resolution (probably concluding with a vote) we can
>> >>> finalise it in the foss4g handbook.
>> >>> On 8/09/2016 9:12 PM, Steven Feldman wrote:
>> >>> 1) Overall financial expectations re surplus and sharing of
>> >>> surplus with OSGeo - possibly setting slightly different
>> >>> expectations for RoW to NA & EU
>> >> We have draft principles on Finances in the handbook here:
>> >>
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances> [4]
>> >> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances [4]>
>> >> I suggest using this existing text as the basis for guidance. I
>> >> personally think it has the right principles in place. In
>> >> particular, it is recommending each conference aim to hand over a
>> >> fixed percentage of profits as surplus to OSGeo. 85% is suggested.
>> >> I prefer this advise over the suggestion that low income countries
>> >> retain more profit.
>> >> -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254 [5]
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