I don't like the proposed phrase, "has not been reviewed by anyone at OSGeo." Presumably Gary is "at OSGeo" if that is to be taken to mean an OSGeo member (by this definition:<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/membership">http://www.osgeo.org/membership</a>). So drop that phrase and the disclaimer seems pretty good. - Dan<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, <<a href="mailto:cschweik@pubpol.umass.edu">cschweik@pubpol.umass.edu</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Quoting "Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)" <<a href="mailto:tmitchell@osgeo.org">tmitchell@osgeo.org</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Without digging through the whole thread about Gary's material, can<br>
> anyone summarise where we left this?<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/edu_discuss/2006-August/000175.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/edu_discuss/2006-August/000175.html</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/edu_discuss/2006-August/000212.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/edu_discuss/2006-August/000212.html</a><br>
<br>
Here's my blurry recollection:<br>
<br>
- Gary wanted to put an OSGeo logo on his material.<br>
- There was some concern (can't remember who was involved here) that anything<br>
with the OSGeo logo should go through some review process.<br>
- We didn't have a review process, and there may have been a question on the<br>
license to be used. We didn't have an agreed upon license.<br>
- Gary waited, but had to proceed, and he consequently dropped the request and<br>
moved forward.<br>
- It was an example of what I personally thought we didn't want to have happen.<br>
Here was a very active developer of open source geo educational content wanting<br>
to connect, and my sense was he got frustrated and just dropped it and moved on<br>
(I think Gary may be still on this list though... Gary?). I can't really blame<br>
him.<br>
- Up until now, our take as a group has been that we need to build a larger<br>
database of tutorials -- any kind at this point. So we have a statement at the<br>
top of the wiki saying that none have been officially reviewed or something like<br>
that.<br>
<br>
- So THESE QUESTIONS REMAIN<br>
<br>
A) Can people put OSGeo logos on their tutorials?<br>
B) Is there some process we need to go through to make a tutorial or edu<br>
material tagged "OSGeo"?<br>
C) Do we need to come up with a recommended license for content?<br>
<br>
My personal view on this is that<br>
<br>
1) OSGeo logos on tutorials are free marketing (a good thing). One idea might be<br>
to develop some kind of statement that authors should use if they did use the<br>
logo that says something like: "this tutorial is part of a general effort by the<br>
OSGeo foundation to create a global, open access repository of educational<br>
material related to open source geospatial theory and technologies. This<br>
tutorial has not been reviewed by anyone at OSGeo. Any mistakes,<br>
misrepresentations, or inaccuracies are the authors' alone." I'm not a lawyer,<br>
so if someone on this list has a better suggestion -- go for it! Or Tyler or<br>
others might object for valid reasons I don't understand. But this seems one<br>
possible way past this impasse.<br>
<br>
2) I think licensing should probably be left to the original author. I<br>
personally see no reason why we shouldn't allow the opportunity for funds to<br>
flow around educational workshops just as open source software groups are doing<br>
by providing services around software. So I would hope if there was some agreed<br>
upon license that it wouldn't stop that from happening. So there might be some<br>
advantages to deciding on a "recommended" (but not mandated) license for new<br>
authors.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps and apologies if my memory confused something.<br>
<br>
Charlie<br>
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><br>
> I think the current curriculum collection process touches this too,<br>
> as we gather pointers to material we recognise as applicable. But<br>
> what about in cases where the curriculum content is not necessarily<br>
> "open" but funding can come back to OSGeo and relevant courses can be<br>
> delivered to the broader communit. That's probably what it will boil<br>
> down to from an Edu committee angle.<br>
><br>
> Please share any thoughts on the conference mailing list:<br>
> <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev</a><br>
><br>
> Tyler<br>
><br>
> On 23-Jun-08, at 5:00 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Edu, the discussion around creating an "OSGeo Teach-in" brand or<br>
> > OSGeo-coordinated event may be interesting to this committee. If<br>
> > you are interested please feel free to join the discussion that has<br>
> > currently been taken on by the conference committee. I suggest you<br>
> > join the conference mailing list for the time being to avoid lots<br>
> > of cross mails.<br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev</a><br>
> ><br>
> > It was initially discussed a little too hotly (my bad) and we are<br>
> > now trying to find a way how to decide which option works best for<br>
> > OSGeo and any interested businesses and to subsequently develop a<br>
> > policy on how to do it. Until now Edu has not been addressed<br>
> > directly but as tutorials, educational material, teaching courses,<br>
> > etc. are concerned I could imagine some interest here.<br>
> > In case you don't know what I am talking about I have compiled some<br>
> > links to explain the background:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2008-May/002444.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2008-May/002444.html</a><br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000578.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000578.html</a><br>
> > <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Licenses_for_Education_Material" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Licenses_for_Education_Material</a><br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000580.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000580.html</a><br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2008-June/002555.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2008-June/002555.html</a><br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000595.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000595.html</a><br>
> > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000605.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2008-June/000605.html</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards, Arnulf. _______________________________________________<br>
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