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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Daniel,<br>
Any progress on YTD information?<br>
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David,<br>
I'm +0 on OSGeo acting as a financial backstop to FOSS4GNA based
upon Daniel's comments so far. I'll change to +1 after a stronger
statement from Daniel re OSGeo's financial viability.<br>
<br>
Re: "We would request that some percentage of any revenue turned
over to OSGeo will be ear marked for future FOSS4GNA events."<br>
I think this is a valid request, but think that in order to avoid
disappointment over misinterpretation later, I suggest that there
should be a clearer statement about this request. By "certain
percentage" are you referring to 10% or 90% or "providing
financial backstop" to future events? Is this request extending to
codesprints in NA or similar that you would like to see OSGeo
sponsor?<br>
<br>
On 06/08/12 23:59, David William Bitner wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEqvsZvp=4aUK2iBdOvBDemWfAwHUVtemxftM5Qvk87+k3mmgg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hey all, thanks for the support so far. Do you think
there is a chance that we could get closure on having a
recommendation prior to the August 9th Board Meeting?
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<div>Cheers!</div>
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<div>David<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:41 AM,
Daniel Morissette <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Hi Paul, Cameron,<br>
<br>
I'll try to update the YTD info in the budget in the next
couple of days, but short answer is that thanks to the big
surplus from the Denver FOSS4G our current financial
status is not bad, even taking into account zero revenues
from FOSS4G 2013 which is what we were expecting anyway.<br>
<br>
That being said, I agree with Cameron that we need to be
careful with our commitments towards regional events as we
could not support losses on multiple events on the same
year for instance. We need to play that role, but we have
to measure and manage the risk properly. I don't think his
questions are too alarmist at all. I'd have the same ones.<br>
<br>
Daniel
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On 12-08-01 7:57 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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On 1/08/2012 7:34 AM, David William Bitner wrote:<br>
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Paul Ramsey <<a
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wrote:<br>
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You're not on the board yet :) stop worrying
about these quotidian<br>
details...<br>
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<br>
Paul, I'm pretty sure you are saying this tongue in
cheek, but it is a<br>
valid comment, so I'll reply anyway.<br>
<br>
We, the OSGeo Conference committee, should be
assessing the full impact<br>
of these types of financial requests, and then
recommending a course of<br>
action to the board, along with our reasons for our
decision. The board<br>
should have enough information from our
recommendation to vote without<br>
needing to do further research.<br>
<br>
Hence we should be providing:<br>
* Potential financial risk, including total
exposure, also described as<br>
a percentage of OSGeo working capital.<br>
* Probability of risk<br>
<br>
We should also be taking into account that what we
provide for one<br>
regional event, we should be providing for other
regional events too.<br>
OSGeo might have enough capital to back one regional
conference, but<br>
does OSGeo have enough working capital to back
5regional conference at<br>
one time?<br>
<br>
It is possible I might be seen to being alarmist,
but I've just been<br>
helping Beijing decide to cancel foss4g 2012, which
someone would have<br>
lost a lot of money on, and I was also chairing
foss4g 2009 in the year<br>
the Global Financial Crisis hit (and which only just
made a mild profit,<br>
after some nail biting time when we thought we were
going to be running<br>
at a loss).<br>
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I'm pretty sure the budget information is on
the wiki<br>
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href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2012"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2012</a><br>
However you'd have to get YTD info directly
from the Treasurer<br>
(DanMo).<br>
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Daniel, any chance you could provide an update on
the OSGeo financial<br>
position?<br>
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I'd guesstimate the largest potential loss for
the conference in the<br>
$20K-$30K range, depending on venue cost, the
assumption being you<br>
sign contracts and pony up deposits, then
cancel the event, thereby<br>
maximizing your expenses and zeroing out your
revenue. It seems<br>
unlikely that OSGeo will rise or fall on that.<br>
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<br>
As is detailed in the original message, we have a
maximum venue<br>
liability of $75,000 at one month out from the
conference date (our<br>
food minimum), 3 months out = $56,250, 6 months
out = $37,500, 9<br>
months out = $18,750. We have no room block
liabilities. There, of<br>
course, will be other expenditures along the way
(see the budget<br>
attached in the original email), but the venue
costs are by far the<br>
most significant costs here.<br>
<br>
David<br>
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David, I suspect that worst case scenario would be a
decision to cancel<br>
the conference after looking at early bird
registrations and making the<br>
decision that the conference will not go ahead. I
assume early bird will<br>
be ~ 3 months before the conference? So maximum
liability would be ~ $56K?<br>
<br>
That said, I think that FOSS4G-NA has excellent
prospects, based upon<br>
the experience of the team, and success of past
events.<br>
<br>
--<br>
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