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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Matthew, I think that you are on the
      right track here.<br>
      We should ensure there is an expectation that if volunteers step
      up and help you get your conference going, then at some point you
      will give back in a similar way, maybe afterwards to another
      conference.<br>
      This should be matched by ensuring the process to contribute is
      not seen as daunting, and there is a clear path for people to get
      involved. Very often the most effective contributors are people
      who start an email by saying something like:<br>
      "I am a simple community member at large who enjoyed the Denver
      conference. ..."<br>
      <br>
      On 18/08/2012 6:54 AM, Matthew Syphus wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
            point would be to generate an open (even written)
            expectation that the help afforded will go both ways.  The
            local/regional entity knows it going in and OSGeo has a
            specific group (not person) to call on to help with FOSS4G
            tasks, (as well as public community requests).  Yes, it
            rests mostly on personal feeling of obligation.  No, there
            is no OSGeo retribution (except perhaps for future event
            sponsoring). Some individuals will not participate, for
            reasons good or bad, but I think the net effect is that more
            people would end up helping FOSS4G.  (Y was expected, X
            never happened, Y-X >= 0.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">By
            volunteer I mean:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Unpaid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Individual
            decides precisely what they can/will do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No
            single individual is assigned a specific job<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No
            individual has a specific time requirement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No
            legal enforcement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:david.bitner@gmail.com">david.bitner@gmail.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:david.bitner@gmail.com">mailto:david.bitner@gmail.com</a>] <b>On
              Behalf Of </b>David William Bitner<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 17, 2012 2:27 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Matthew Syphus<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Cameron Shorter; Frank Warmerdam;
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Conf] Analysing the downfall of
            FOSS4G 2011<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Matthew
            Syphus <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:MSyphus@lhtac.org" target="_blank">MSyphus@lhtac.org</a>>
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Cameron,<br>
            <br>
            I am a simple community member at large who enjoyed the
            Denver<br>
            conference.  I like your perspective regarding more
            volunteers as a<br>
            result of helping smaller events.  My thought is: can you
            add some sort<br>
            of volunteer requirement as a condition of having OSGeo help
            with an<br>
            event?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">You can never categorically count on
              volunteer effort in the future. "volunteer requirement" is
              an oxymoron. I don't say this to be flippant, but as
              someone who has worked for many years with volunteer
              communities. Volunteers in any group come and go, I have
              often seen some of the most dedicated volunteers in a
              group simply drop off the face of the planet because they
              got burnt out, had personal issues, or even just that they
              got bored or found something else they thought was more
              worth their time. We should certainly do everything we can
              to encourage those with experience to hang around and to
              share their experience forward, but it is simply not
              practical to establish this as a hard expectation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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