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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Barend,<br>
Maybe a better way of saying this is that:<br>
Cities will continue to bid for the global conference as has been
done to date. In selecting candidate cities, cities/regions which
have successfully held regional conferences will be considered
favourably.<br>
<br>
On 20/04/13 20:41, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl">b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a> wrote:<br>
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idea of having a different regional conference
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year<font size="2">, this would imply that regional one ch<font
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for "locals"</font></font><font size="2"> in some
cases (specifically Japan<font size="2"> and</font>
South Am<font size="2">erica)...<br>
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on </b></font><font size="2" color="#000000" face="Tahoma">Friday,
April 19, 2013 23:00,
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">From my assessment:<br>
<br>
We know from FOSS4G metrics that:<br>
* There are ~ 200 to 300 people who will travel to a
global foss4g event, anywhere in the world.<br>
* However, the majority of foss4g delegates are local or
regional, in the case of North America, in the order of
500+, and these 500 won't travel to Europe, or Australia,
or ... to see FOSS4G. Metrics are similar for the rest of
the world.<br>
* There is a proven demand for annual regional FOSS4G
events. A global FOSS4G event would reach 1/3 or less of
potential FOSS4G attendees which multiple regional
conferences could reach.
<br>
* So if our primary goal is outreach to as many people as
possible, then we are best served by multiple regional
FOSS4G events.<br>
* The price we pay for this increased OSGeo market, is
increased marketing costs (in that vendors and delegates
need to consider travelling to multiple events).<br>
* The Open Source business model favours local businesses
who can provide local, personalised services. As such, I
think that it is in the interests of most OSGeo vendors to
focus on regional events, where they can reach more
targeted customers.<br>
* And for the 300 odd people wishing to par-take in the
"annual gathering of the tribes", we will delegate one of
the regional conferences to be the global foss4g
conference for the year.<br>
<br>
Hence, my vote is that we continue to have regional
conferences every year, with one of these regional
conferences being given the extra honour of being called
the global conference.<br>
<br>
On 19/04/2013 12:54 PM, Daniel Kastl wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">When we bid we
were concerned about regional events impacting
attendance at the big one inn Nottingham this
year.
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<div>this year we have a NA and CEE event as
well as FOSS4G. Everyone has reassured us that
they have little or no impact, I am not so
confident in a time of economic pressure but
only time will tell. </div>
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<div>It is difficult to be precise about
cannibalisation by regional events unless we
survey the delegates at these two regional
events and ask them whether they plan to also
attend Nottingham and if not whether they
would have considered Nottingham if there had
not been a regional event. Is that worth
doing?<br>
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<div style="">Regarding regional events I would make
a difference between events that are mainly in
English language or some other language.</div>
<div style="">For example the German FOSSGIS or the
Japanese FOSS4G wouldn't really attract an
audience, that doesn't speak German or Japanese.
Same for regional events in Spanish or French.
These local events are important, because lot of
people prefer to hear (or give) presentations in
their native language.</div>
<div style="">A big regional event such as FOSS4G NA
though might have an impact though. </div>
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<div>On 17 Apr 2013, at 00:06, Cameron
Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>I'd like to hear thoughts from
people who organise FOSS4G
regional events about the two year
global / regional / global
rotation.<br>
<br>
In particular, would large
regional conferences such as
FOSS4G-NA or FOSS4G-EU or
FOSS4G-CEE be interested in only
holding events every second year?<br>
<br>
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On 16/04/2013 9:46 PM, Bart van
den Eijnden wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I think
Barend's suggestion of a two year
scheme (regional in year X, global
in year Y) deserves some more
discussion / attention.
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<div>Personally I can see the
benefits of this scheme (no big
competition from large regional
conferences in the global year).<br>
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<div>Also, does OsGeo currently
get money out of the big
regional conferences (such as
FOSS4G-CEE and FOSS4G-NA)?<br>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Bart</div>
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<div>On Apr 15, 2013, at
11:34 AM, <a
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b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hia
ll,<br>
<br>
I am not a board member
nor a conference
committee member, but I
feel an<br>
urgent need to give my
opinion here.<br>
<br>
I grow uncomfortable by
some of the trends that
seem to "logically
follow"<br>
(note the quotes, and
yes I am exaggerating on
purpose) from this<br>
discussion:<br>
1)- FOSS4G events are
there to make money<br>
2)- non NA/Europe events
don't make (enough)
money<br>
3)- non NA/Europe events
get badly organized (see
Beijng)<br>
<br>
Proposition 1 already
makes me feel itchy. How
can you 'charge' FOSS4G<br>
main event organizers
with being a cash cow
("expecting a $50K
profit") if<br>
at the same time
encouraging (allowing?)
other events to be
organised that<br>
almost certainly will
cannabilise the main
event (Foss4G-NA, FOSS4g
CEE)<br>
on which events you put
no obligation to make
money? I think we need a<br>
two-year cycle: one year
the main conference and
other years regional
ones<br>
(i.e. ones actively
supported by OSGEO
"central", what the
regional<br>
chapters do on their own
is their own
responsibility).<br>
<br>
Proposition 2 is
touching a nerve because
I work at an institute
that is<br>
about capacity building
for lesser developed
countries. I think part
of<br>
OSGEO is promoting the
use of FOSS, and
bringing knowledge and
experience<br>
and enthousiasm about
that to the places in
the world that would
profit<br>
most from it is a good
cause that is worth
doing even if it brings
you<br>
less or no money. By all
means subsidize the LDC
meetings with profits<br>
from the Europe/NA ones.
Call me a specialist,
but I prefer some<br>
solidarity in this...<br>
<br>
Proposition 3 is plain
not true. The South
Africa FOSS4G was
excellent in<br>
my opinion, the Beijng
one failed because of
insufficient control<br>
mechanisms (either in
place or just not
followed up on) to check
on a<br>
local organisation that
chooses to do its own
thing completely
independent<br>
of 'OSGEO central'.
Could have happened with
self-centered stubborn
Dutch<br>
organizers just as well,
and certainly at least
part of the blame should<br>
be on the 'OSGEO
central' shoulders...<br>
<br>
Yours truly,<br>
<br>
--<br>
Barend Köbben <br>
Senior Lecturer, ITC -
University of Twente,<br>
Faculty of
Geo-Information Science
and Earth Observation<br>
PO Box 217, 7500AE
Enschede (The
Netherlands)<br>
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<br>
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On 13-04-13 14:30,
"Cameron Shorter" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Frank,<br>
I agree that a
compelling proposal
should include meeting
foss4g<br>
financial
expectations.<br>
<br>
For the record, the
last board meeting
discussed changing
guidelines for<br>
foss4g budgets from
expecting a $20K
profit under
conservative
estimates,<br>
to a $50K profit.
(This would typically
result in a $100K+
profit under<br>
expected conditions).<br>
<br>
David Bitner, pointed
out that a $100K
profit spread across
1000<br>
attendees equates to
$100 extra per
delegate, which is a
good point, but<br>
should be tempered
against the
variability of FOSS4G
attendees, and the<br>
high impact on profits
this has. Looking back
at<br>
an old foss4g budget,
I extrapolated some
profit figures:<br>
<br>
Attendees: Profit<br>
1000: $58K<br>
900: $35K<br>
800: $11K<br>
700: -$11K<br>
600: -$35K<br>
500: -$58K<br>
<br>
While I made some
gross generalisations
in my extrapolation,
the take<br>
home message is that
fixed costs of a large
conference such as
FOSS4G are<br>
very high, and
consequently, a small
percentage increase or
decrease in<br>
attendance has high
impact on
profitability.<br>
So if we want to
ensure a worst case
scenario of 500
delegates will break<br>
even, then we should
expect to make a $110K
profit for an expected<br>
attendance of 1000.<br>
<br>
On 13/04/13 08:10,
Frank Warmerdam wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Cameron,<br>
<br>
<br>
I feel this question
ties into the expected
revenue to some
degree. I'm<br>
personally fine with
your suggestion with
the caveat that we
should<br>
expect a "compelling
proposal" to meet our
revenue generation
guidelines<br>
which is (IMHO) going
to be hard<br>
to do if aim for $50K
revenue in the
conservative case.<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm also fairly
flexible on this who
issue, but I *feel*
like every time<br>
we have a revenue
discussion we come up
with one set of
conclusions, but<br>
somehow we fail to
actually apply those
conclusion when
setting<br>
requirements for the
conference.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Frank<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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at 2:24 PM, Cameron
Shorter<br>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
In the last board
meeting, the question
was raised about
global FOSS4G<br>
rotation.<br>
<br>
we currently have a 3
way rotation policy:
Europe 2013 / North
America<br>
2014 / Rest of world
2015<br>
<br>
It has been suggested
that we should revisit
this rotation policy,
and<br>
consider:<br>
<br>
Europe / North America
/ Europe / North
America<br>
<br>
Reasons:<br>
* Previous global
FOSS4G events have
attracted more people
and been more<br>
lucrative in Europe /
North America<br>
* Europe/North America
could be argued to be
less financially
risky. Our<br>
one cancelled FOSS4G
was in China in 2012.<br>
* FOSS4G (global and
regional) events
traditionally draw
half their<br>
attendance from the
local region. Europe
and North America both
have<br>
large populations with
established OSGeo
communities.<br>
<br>
I'm in favour of
continuing our current
3 way rotation, on the
proviso<br>
that there are proven
OSGeo communities
outside of NA/Europe.
By proven,<br>
I'd suggest that we
would consider regions
which have already<br>
successfully staged a
FOSS4G regional event
(or similar)<br>
and who can put
together a compelling
justification that
they can<br>
attract comparable
attendees and sponsors
to Europe/North
America.<br>
<br>
Looking at: <br>
<a
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I see that there have
previously been
regional FOSS4G events
in:<br>
Argentina<br>
India<br>
Korea<br>
Malaysia<br>
Japan<br>
<br>
So for 2015, I'd
suggest that our
FOSS4G pre
qualification should
invite<br>
responses from "rest
of the world" and
Europe, but we should
give a<br>
preference to "rest of
world" assuming they
can provide a
compelling<br>
proposal which is
likely to attract
similar success<br>
to past European and
North American
conferences.<br>
<br>
Generalising the rule.
Our rotation policy
should be:<br>
<br>
* We give a strong
preference to a region
which hasn't had
FOSS4G for 2<br>
years<br>
* We next consider the
region which had
FOSS4G 2 years ago<br>
* Only as a last
resort would we
consider a region
which had FOSS4G last<br>
year<br>
<br>
Regions are considered
as: Europe / North
America / Other
locations<br>
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