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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=CS link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Cameron,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, I am willing to contribute to updating FOSS4G Cookbook. I agree to do this. Best will be, if there will be two or three people discuss it and write sugestion. So I am one<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Karel Charvat<br><b>Cc:</b> b.j.kobben@utwente.nl; volker.mische@gmail.com; conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org; b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Foss4g2013] presentation selection [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Karel,<br>I like your idea of having an automated system for providing feedback to presenters, and think a system could be worked out.<br><br>There could be standard feedback options of:<br>* Congratulations, you have been selected<br>* Sorry, community ranked you low<br>* Due to multiple presentations on this topic, your presentation was not selected<br>* Due to multiple presentations from you, this presentation was not selected<br>* ... and a few others<br><br>Next step:<br>* Someone updates our voting software to provide this functionality<br>* Then update our FOSS4G Cookbook with a Howto run a selection process<br><br>I can see there are people who feel passionately about this topic. Are you passionate enough to do something about it?<br><br><br>On 23/05/2013 11:43 PM, Karel Charvat wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It depends on number of volunteer- revivers, usually every reader has responsibility for certain papers and he is making comments. Such number is high, but not enormous> Some conferences have more</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl">b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a> [<a href="mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl">mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>; <a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Foss4g2013] [OSGeo-Conf] presentation selection [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Any idea how much time putting "two three sentences" takes for > 300 abstracts?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Barend</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On 23-05-13 14:09, "Karel Charvat" <<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Volker,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Usually it is similar on any conferences that it is done by volunteer. But</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>if there is publishing system put two three sentences and this automatically</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>distributed is not so big effort</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Karel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From: Volker Mische [<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com</a>] </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:57 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To: Karel Charvat</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc: 'Massimiliano Cannata'; <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>; 'Barry Rowlingson'</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Foss4g2013] presentation selection</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Karel,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I can again only speak of 2009, but back then the costs where there to cover</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the venue and catering. There wasn't any money for the selection process. It</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>was mostly done in the freetime of the LOC members.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I agree that it would be cool to have such a feedback, but it would need</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>volunteers to do so.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On 05/23/2013 01:18 PM, Karel Charvat wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear Volker, dear others,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I start follow discussion about selection process. I have to say, that </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I am not very satisfied with Volkers last email.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Why? The FOSS4G fee is comparable with the costs for large scientific </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>conferences. And usually on these conferences authors are obtaining </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>any feedback. It is help for them not only for future, but it could </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>help also in future development. I think, that all this could be done </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>automatically with publishing system. I think, that the budget for this</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>has to be adequate.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Karel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>[<a href="mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On Behalf Of Volker </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mische</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:03 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To: Massimiliano Cannata</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc: <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Barry Rowlingson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Foss4g2013] presentation selection </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Maxi,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>sending back the results to the authors is really a lot of work. There </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>might be abstracts which are e.g. hardly understandable English. You </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>will just drop those without actually assign any relevance to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The time is of the LOC is really limited and making the selection </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>already takes hours (at least it was the case in 2009). Heaving even </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>more overhead would be to much.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Though perhaps it would make sense to have a chance to join the </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>selection process. So people who like to help out and to a thorough </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>review can do that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On 05/23/2013 12:14 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I agree that votes are not a guarantee of real interest. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Suppose you work for a large company that submit an abstract, you </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>will easily have 100 votes of all the employees but this does not </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>mean all of them will go to the conference and that the vote was</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"driven".</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At the same time, I like open and clear evaluation criteria, this </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avoid (or at least limit) the acceptance of talk by "friendship", </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>that also I believe occur.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Something like evaluation rating:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>100 points maximum alssigned:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- 40 for voting rank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- 20 for foss4g project relevance</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- 20 fro.... etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>All the evaluation should then be sent back to the authors.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I Also would like to have some "inspiring" talk from people "outside"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(not only well know and great talker, than I like more content </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>respect to shows) to better understand: what others do? How do they see</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OSGeo?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What next? etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And I would like to see rotation in successive FOSS4G as this is the </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>conference for the community, rather then for the novels to open </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>source that may have more opportunities to enter in contact with open </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>source in local events organized by local chapters... so I would like </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>to see CONTENT, NEWS, VISION rather then SHOWS and APPEAL.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Of course, this is only my 2 cents... ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Maxi</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Volker Mische </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com%3e">mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Hi Bart,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> I didn't want to be fierce, but explaining my experience. I</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>especially</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> felt like replying as you gave me a reality check quite often on</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>topics</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> where I had a completely different view in the past.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> My problem with the community voting is, does it really reflect </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>what</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> community wants? I'm not saying the community is too stupid to </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>know</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>what</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> they really one and someone else needs to decide what's best. I think</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> the problem is the open voting. It's easy to get an bias in there.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> people that actually vote is a small subset of the people that will</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>be</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> at the conference, but the conference should please the whole</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>audience.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> I for example prefer developer centric talks. I don't care much about</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> talks that are about "I've used this and that open source </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>technology</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>to</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> do x and y" or about INSPIRE. Though there are probably quite a few</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> people from institutions that don't yet use an open source stack </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>or</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>want</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> to learn how to leverage open source when they need to meet the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>INSPIRE</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> goals. It would be valuable to have such presentations. This is </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>what</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> LOC is for, they can make the call to include those as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Another example which is a bit artificial, it's about popular</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> presenters. Let's take Paul Ramsey as an example, he's one of the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>best</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> speakers I've ever been to at conferences. If he would submit 10</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>talks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> probably all of them would get voted by the community (being it due</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>to</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> great abstracts or to know that Paul is presenting). But of course</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>you</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> don't want to have one person doing to many talks.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> And finally the problem of people trying to abuse the public vote (or</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> have friends that try it). You can filter those out sometimes, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>but</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>would</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> you then publish the filtered results or the raw data?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Though I think it's good to have this discussion. These thoughts have</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> previously only in my brain and never written down. So it hopefully</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> helps for future conferences to improve the process.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> On 05/23/2013 06:51 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> > Given the fierce responses, I will think twice about ever making a</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> suggestion on a selection process for FOSS4G again. Sorry to have</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> spend my time on this.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> ></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> > Bart</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> ></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> > Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> ></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> > On May 23, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Bruce Bannerman</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au">B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au</a> <<a href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au%3e">mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> ></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Thanks Volker.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Agreed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Can I suggest that if someone believes that they have a better</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> process, that they volunteer for the LOC of the next international</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> FOSS4G conference and try it then?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Bruce</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> ________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> From: <a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> [<a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org%3e">mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a>] On Behalf Of Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Mische [<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com%3e">mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com></a>]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:04 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> To: Bart van den Eijnden</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Cc: <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org%3e">mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org></a>>; Barry Rowlingson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Subject: Re: [Foss4g2013] presentation selection</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Bart,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> I second the approach that was used by the LOC. It's similar to</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> what was</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> done in 2009 (when I was part of it).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Barry described how they made the selection in detail. It is</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> important</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> that the way the decision was made is transparent, not the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>decisions</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> themselves (it would take way to much to give a reason for </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>every</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>not</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> accepted abstract).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> The LOC should make the final call and normally it's pretty </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>close</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>to</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> what the community voted for (at least that was the case in 2009).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >> On 05/22/2013 04:58 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> Barry,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> does this mean you don't have enough trust in the community</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> voting that</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> they will filter out anything inappropriate?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> I see this as an unnecessary and confusing step.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> Bart</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> --</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> Bart van den Eijnden</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> OSGIS - <a href="http://osgis.nl">http://osgis.nl</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> On May 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Barry Rowlingson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk%3e%3e">mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk>></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Bart van den Eijnden</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">bartvde@osgis.nl</a> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl</a> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl%3e%3e">mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl>></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> But apparently the selection committee filtered out abstracts</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> based</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> on the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> words open and or free, which seems a weird and error-prone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> approach</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> to me.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> We did *not* purely filter out based on words.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> We looked at the title, short abstract, and long abstract. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>from</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> those items we could not see a free/open-source, open-data, or</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> geospatial angle, we *thought carefully* about whether that</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> should be</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> included in the conference.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> My second talk was about GeoExt and since I thought since</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> everybody knows</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> GeoExt is about open source, I did not mention those words</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> explicitly</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> in my</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> abstract.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> Yes, we have enough expertise on the panel to know our open</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>source</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> packages. Anything we didn't know, we looked up. However we</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> can't look</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> up something omitted from an abstract...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> Someone had a great abstract on big data, but it wasn't</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>selected</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> because it can be used with both open source software and</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> closed source</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> software, and it's not about open data specifically.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> An abstract that doesn't mention any open geospatial technology</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> could</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> well be about doing analysis in ArcGIS or Oracle Spatial. Its</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> not the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> committee's job to second-guess the presenter or ask the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> presenter for</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> clarification - the abstract is space enough to provide </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>clarity</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>and</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> full details.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> My personal opinion is</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> that if the general public wants to see this talk, it should</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>not</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> matter if</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> the abstract contains the words free or open.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> Again, we did not filter on the words. We took the totality </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>of</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> submission and checked appropriateness for the Free and Open</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Source</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> for Geospatial Conference, amongst the other criteria.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> Also, if this is filtering would be done, it should be done</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> *prior*</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> to the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> community voting phase IMHO.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> Personal opinion: there's no point - the outcome will be the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> same, it</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> will just require a committee to review everything before </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>and</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>after</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> the community voting. There were very few inappropriate</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> submissions.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>>> Can the selection committee elaborate on the approach they</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>used?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> I think we've discussed this at great lengths on this and other</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> mailing lists. Basically: First pass: include community vote</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> top 100.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> Second pass: include committee vote top 100 (giving us ~130</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> included).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> Discuss, eliminate anything inappropriate. Next pass: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>include</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>lower</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> ranked community votes. Next: lower ranked committee votes.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Check for</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> multiple submissions, similarities with workshop sessions, and</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> make a</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> decision on near-duplicates (which may include rejections,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> choices, or</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> mergers). Keep going until coffee runs out or all slots filled.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> We did</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> not run out of coffee.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> I think fuller details will be posted to the lessons</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> learned/cookbook</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> wiki pages.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>>> Barry</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> _______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> Foss4g2013 mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> >>> <a href="mailto:Foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">Foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a> <<a 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</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>__________ Informace od ESET Smart Security, verze databaze 8364 (20130523)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>__________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Tuto zpravu proveril ESET Smart Security.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.eset.cz">http://www.eset.cz</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>__________ Informace od ESET Smart Security, verze databaze 8364 (20130523)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>__________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Tuto zpravu proveril ESET Smart Security.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.eset.cz">http://www.eset.cz</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> 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