<html><head></head><body>Ok Bruce, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.<br>
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Andrew<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On September 7, 2014 6:33:55 PM EDT, Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Andrew,<br /><br />I'm not in favour of the model that is proposed below.<br /><br />I'll respond in more detail as soon as I can find more time.<br /><br />Bruce<br /><br /><hr /><br />From: Andrew Ross [andrew.ross@eclipse.org]<br />Sent: Monday, 8 September 2014 1:11 AM<br />To: Bruce Bannerman; conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br />Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] FOSS4G Discount for Charter Members proposal [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<br /><br />Thanks Bruce, I appreciate that.<br /><br />I just wanted to make it very clear there's no bulldozing, whatever that means, involved. Everything has been done openly and consultative.<br /><br />Fear and passion are at play with those kinds of dark thoughts. It's unjustified.<br /><br />LocationTech is a not for profit that exists to nurture an open source ecosystem. And the people guiding it are good people who care deeply about the ecosystem. Only good has resulted so far with much potential for more.<br /><br />As far as
motivations to offer to organize FOSS4G, in case they weren't obvious, collaboration is the best outcome. It is not desirable to create yet another event and force people to choose. This model taking shape can solve a lot of problems people have been citing for a while. I'm pretty sure anyone would offer if they were waking in my shoes.<br /><br />Also, so far as I can see, no one is trying to limit or diminish the non western world. The benefits of collaboration apply universally.<br /><br />I truly believe it is FOSS4G profit sharing (& OSGeo income more specifically) at the root of concern here. No one seems troubled about a joint code sprint for example. I feel optimistic we can figure out a model that works well. I'm offering to help do so... accepting this is optional of course.<br /><br />Andrew<br /><br />On September 6, 2014 8:56:06 PM EDT, Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au> wrote:<br /><br />Hi Andrew,<br /><br />I suspect that we are talking about
different aspects of this thread.<br /><br />I was not aware of the request that you mention below from a Board member. I must have missed this request, which I assume was via the OSGeo-Conf list. In that case, I apologise.<br /><br /><br />I'll respond in more detail when I get a bit more time. It is Father's Day here.<br /><br />There are aspects that I will send more detail on.<br /><br /><br />Bruce<br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />From: Andrew Ross [andrew.ross@eclipse.org]<br />Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2014 12:58 PM<br />To: Bruce Bannerman; conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br />Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] FOSS4G Discount for Charter Members proposal [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<br /><br />Bruce,<br /><br />Perhaps you might like to take the opportunity to apologize?<br /><br />LocationTech supported a FOSS4G bid along with others. If you feel anything about the bid was improper, speak up immediately and<br />specific?<br /><br />LocationTech was asked by an OSGeo board member if
it would consider hosting FOSS4G NA 2015. It decided to and this event received OSGeo board support in addition to the wide support in the community. The team is very diverse.<br /><br />This discussion is open, transparent, and a reasonable offer made in good faith. If you feel there's something improper, speak up immediately and be specific?<br /><br />Otherwise apologize.<br /><br />Andrew<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Andrew<br /><br />On September 5, 2014 7:30:26 PM EDT, Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au> wrote:<br /><br />I'm concerned as to the direction that this thread is going. I've avoided comment until now.<br /><br />As to FOSS4G:<br /><br />I've read a number of arguments that pre-suppose that only Europe and North America can run successful FOSS4G Conferences.<br /><br />- for those of us in other parts of the world who have run successful FOSS4G events, e.g. Australia and South<br />Africa, this argument is insulting and divisive.<br /><br />- I also
have every reason to believe that the upcoming Korean event will also be a success, given the passion that I'm seeing from the LOC.<br /><br /><br />As to a single Professional Conference Organiser (PCO) for all FOSS4G:<br /><br />- this is counter productive. From my experiences with FOSS4G-2009, we needed a local PCO who knew what buttons to push to get 'things' done quickly and efficiently, often at short notice. I can't see a foreign PCO being able to do that effectively.<br /><br />- to any reputable PCO, FOSS4G is just<br />another conference. This is their bread and butter work. They should be able to do it effectively.<br /><br />- a PCO is required as it frees up the LOC to concentrate on planning a good event. However with the number of competing local FOSS4G branded events, I can see that organising a good international event is just getting much, much harder.<br /><br /><br />As to LocationTech:<br /><br />- I have not had much to do with this group before, apart from
the confusion over the OGC CITE 'project'.<br /><br />- the way that it is trying to bulldoze itself into taking over the successful FOSS4G conference 'brand' does not impress me.<br /><br /><br />Bruce<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br /><br />From: conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey [pramsey@cleverelephant.ca]<br />Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2014 3:27 AM<br />To: David Percy<br />Cc: conference<br />Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] FOSS4G Discount for<br />Charter Members proposal<br /><br />The problem I see with the "one PCO" idea is that the PCO's that we<br />enjoy working with and who can "get" us (as I also felt my 2007 PCO<br />did) tend to be small and scrappy, like us. So they can't necessarily<br />effectively globe-trot (though being ambitious they will often assert<br />that sure, they really could!). For FOSS4G-NA<br />it would make a lot of<br />sense to just settle on a single
PCO for a longer commitment.<br /><br />P<br /><br />On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:28 AM, David Percy <percyd@pdx.edu> wrote:<br /> When we chose VTM Group as our PCO for the PDX event next week one of<br /> my compelling reasons for voting for them is that they do<br /> international conferences and their clientele is similar to OSGeo [1].<br /><br /><hr /><br /><br /><br />Conference_dev mailing list<br />Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br /><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev</a><br /><hr /><br /><br /><br />Conference_dev mailing list<br />Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br /><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>