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+1 - well put, Sanghee, I couldn't agree more to every word you say!<br>
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-Peter<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/09/2015 12:59 PM, Sanghee Shin
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Hi David,
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<div class="">First of all thank you for your pointing out. </div>
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<div class="">Yep. We’ve discussed CoC a little bit when we
prepared for the website. However we didn’t add CoC to the
website at that time. The reasons we didn’t include CoC are as
follows:</div>
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<div class="">1. Actually we didn’t understand what is CoC and
what is the main purpose of CoC. Without understanding the real
meaning of CoC, we didn’t want to add that to the website just
like accessary. We knew there were CoCs at FOSS4G 2013 and
2014.(Many of LOC members attended both conferences) After
reading and reviewing CoCs from FOSS4G 2013 and 2014, we thought
that those CoC are sorts of morals or rules that we should
follow through the life and that should be part of our
life(except over sexual issue, I’ll talk this later) all the
time. CoC message can be summarised just like this. No
Discrimination, No Harassment, No Sexuality. I thought No
Discrimination, No Harassment are the baseline morals of our
general life to live together with others. We should follow
those baseline whether we are in the conference or outside of
the conference just like air. When I saw that CoC at past FOSS4G
site, I got feeling just like this. “You should breathe the air,
otherwise you will be expelled without refund.” And I was also
curious that “And then am I allowed to discriminate other people
outside of the conference?” I’m not trying to neglect the
importance of CoC. </div>
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<div class="">In short, we were not fully convinced whether we
needed to add CoC to the website and didn’t understand the real
meaning of CoC at that time. However we are not reluctant to add
CoC to the website if everyone is assured of the expectation of
a welcoming conference!</div>
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<div class="">2. Regarding over sexuality issue, I totally agree
with Cameron’s view. Feeling sexuality is somewhat different
culture by culture and region by region. A month ago I was
somewhat shocked when I got message from U.S. that my recent
presentation named "7 Reasons: Why you should come to FOSS4G
2015 Seoul” included over-sexual photo. Actually I included a
photo of very popular Korea girl group there. I didn’t think
that the photo is so sexual. However he felt that photo is
over-sexual. I could say that if you show that picture to
general Korean people and ask them whether that photo is
over-sexual, 8~9 out 10 will not agree with that. However if you
show a picture of a woman with low-cut neck line, many Koreans
will say that that is too sexual. </div>
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<div class="">There is another issues over “Sexual” as well. Who
will set up the standard of sexual? Who will decide which is
sexual or not? Organiser? And then will you expel the attendee
who believe that his/her image is not sexual in his culture but
sexual in U.S.? If FOSS4G will take place in Middle East, should
we follow their standard over sexual? Also I believe that harsh
banning on sexuality could hurt the freedom of speech as well. </div>
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<div class="">3. Just like Cameron mentioned, as Chairperson of
the FOSS4G this year, I have the responsibility to make the
event <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"
class="">a pleasant experience for everyone and not to feel
them they are lectured or suppressed at the same time. </span></div>
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<div class="">All the best, </div>
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Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul <br class="">
"Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!"<br
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@foss4g<br class="">
Facebook: FOSS4G2015</div>
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작성:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Great! Thanks Sanghee!
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<div class="">Has your team considered adding a code of
conduct to your website? </div>
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<div class="">The past two FOSS4G global events have
included CoC's on the website as well as asking
registrants to agree to the CoC by a checkbox on the
registration form.</div>
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and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="">https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct</a>
are some examples that have been used.<br class="">
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<div class="">We have received a lot of positive
response from attendees since adding these to the
conferences and have certainly seen an impact in
gender diversity since incorporating CoC's into our
websites along with other outreach and diversity
initiatives. It is a very easy step towards ensuring
that everyone is assured of the expectation of a
welcoming conference! I am sure that other past
conference chairs on this list can speak up to their
experiences as well.</div>
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<div class="">I hope all is going well with planning for
the event!</div>
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<div class="">Sincerely,</div>
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<div class="">David</div>
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<div class="">I’m on the list. You can talk to me
directly. </div>
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<div class="">With regards, </div>
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class="">Sanghee Shin, Chair of
FOSS4G 2015 Seoul <br class="">
"Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang
from Seoul!"<br class="">
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class="">Twitter: @foss4g<br
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Facebook: FOSS4G2015</div>
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class="">email: <a
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작성:</div>
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Conference Committee,
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<div class="">It has recently been
brought to my attention by a
member of our community that she
noticed the absence of a Code of
Conduct for the upcoming Seoul
FOSS4G. I took this as a huge sign
that the work that has been done
by LOCs in recent FOSS4G, regional
OSGeo events, and other technology
and geography events towards
encouraging diversity and a
welcoming atmosphere to all is
indeed being noticed. I have also
been excited to see based simply
on the measure of gender diversity
that the numbers of female
speakers has been steadily moving
up over the past couple years.</div>
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<div class="">I would like to
encourage the Conference Committee
(and I am volunteering to do much
of the leg work) to provide
guidelines for implementing a Code
of Conduct at events for all
FOSS4G/OSGeo related events and to
include diversity initiatives as
part of future calls for proposals
for the international event.</div>
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<div class="">While I believe it is
too late for the conference
committee to make any mandates to
the Seoul team, is there anyone
who knows the folks on the LOC
that would be willing to help me
reach out to explain the
importance of these initiatives?</div>
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<div class="">Thanks!</div>
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<div class="">David</div>
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