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    hm...a little worrying how technology oriented people get ideologic.<br>
    <br>
    Why do I say "ideologic"?<br>
    <br>
    - belief structures. "One has to" and "obviously" lack a clear
    subject in charge of giving the instructions (which effectively is
    happening).<br>
    As a consequence, someone not agreeing (read: not sharing this
    belief) is subliminally put on the side of the assumed
    not-so-good-doers: "Are you afraid of that commitment?"<br>
    <br>
    - attacking non-believers and suppressing free discussion. Examples:<br>
    > "more than a little annoyed that we’re even having this
    conversation."<br>
    <br>
    - obscured authority. No institution/person/etc is named which is
    responsible for requirements and soliciting actions. Citing:<br>
    > How do you know what’s genuinely awful and what’s “kind of
    bad”?<br>
    Who is the authority answering this, and doing so for the whole
    planet and all its cultures?<br>
    <br>
    - lack of evidence. At "some" conferences "some" "incidents" are
    said to have happened. Notice the 3-fold fuzziness which disallows
    others to gain their own opinion and participate in discussion.
    "conferences ... do not fair [ie: fare] so well" likewise excludes
    communication partners from discussion as the assumed underlying
    evidence is not shared.<br>
    FWIW, I have attended all sorts of conferences all around this
    planet for decades now and have not witnessed a single "incident"
    that would require normative action.<br>
    <br>
    - pseudo-evidence. Examples are listed to underpin that codes of
    conduct are a rulle. A clean statistical argument would indicate a
    percentage of conferences. Also note this pattern: 2 conferences
    have a CoC, so we must also have one, end of discussion. Next
    conference: 3 conferences have a CoC, so we must also have one, end
    of discussion.<br>
    <br>
    So, ideologic it is along the definition of Steger & James:
    "Ideologies are patterned clusters of normatively imbued ideas and
    concepts, including particular representations of power relations.
    These conceptual maps help people navigate the complexity of their
    political universe and carry claims to social truth." [1]<br>
    <br>
    Personally, I have an uneasy feeling going to a conference that
    assumes that I (or my community, for that matter) needs tight
    behavioral control. Next step is an obligatory "conduct police" that
    patrols conferences to spot non-conforming behavior. Inverting the
    below sentence, "I would have had to seriously consider if I wanted
    to keynote at a conference _with_ a code of conduct". <br>
    <br>
    All that said, Darrell is raising the core questions indeed, I try
    to honestly give my 2 cents:<br>
    > What if something genuinely awful happens? What will you do? <br>
    <div>step in. done that earlier (in private situations, again: never
      necessary at any conference)<br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <div>> What about something kind of bad? How will you recognize
      that, and how will you handle it? Who will do it?<br>
      <div>> How do you know what’s genuinely awful and what’s “kind
        of bad”? </div>
      <div>based on common sense and the good education my parents gave
        me. Which is inherently risk prone and delicate when getting
        intercultural, so requires a _lot_ of care and, if ever
        possible, seeking advice from members of the cultures concretely
        involved.<br>
      </div>
      <br>
    </div>
    -Peter<br>
    <br>
    PS: sorry a scientist's response. Best just take Jachym: keep it
    simple and friendly.<br>
    <br>
    [1] <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation book">James,
        Paul; Steger, Manfred (2010). <a rel="nofollow" class="external
          text"
href="http://www.academia.edu/4510893/Globalization_and_Culture_Vol._4_Ideologies_of_Globalism_editor_with_Manfred_B._Steger_Sage_Publications_London_2010"><i>Globalization


            and Culture, Vol. 4: Ideologies of Globalism</i></a>.
        London: Sage Publications.</span></span><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/14/2015 04:22 AM, Darrell
      Fuhriman wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:0435F4C3-3F61-4074-B936-34CAA931D1EA@garnix.org"
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      I agree with Kate here, and want to emphasize this line:
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>"Conferences where bad things happen and there is not a clear
        plan often do not fair so well.”</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>It’s really great to say “can’t we just assume everyone will
        be nice.”  The answer is “no”. We can assume that *nearly*
        everyone will be, but occasionally things happen, most of them
        minor, some of them genuinely awful.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>A CoC isn’t a feel good statement. It’s a public commitment
        to providing a safe and welcoming environment to all members of
        the community. Are you afraid of that commitment?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>To be honest, I’m a lot baffled, and a more than a little
        annoyed that we’re even having this conversation. That
        conferences need a CoC and a plan to enforce it should be taken
        for granted at this point. Really. I’m not going to have the
        discussion here. It’s been had in a thousand forums already.
        CoCs won. Accept it and plan for it.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Examples:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>All O’Reilly Conferences: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html">http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html</a></div>
      <div>ApacheCon NA: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://gi106.gondor.co/code_of_conduct/">http://gi106.gondor.co/code_of_conduct/</a></div>
      <div>PyCon: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/">https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/</a></div>
      <div>State of the Map US: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://stateofthemap.us/2014/codeofconduct/">http://stateofthemap.us/2014/codeofconduct/</a></div>
      <div>EclipseCon: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/code-conduct">https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/code-conduct</a></div>
      <div>LinuxConf: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://linux.conf.au/cor/code_of_conduct">http://linux.conf.au/cor/code_of_conduct</a></div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Shall I go on?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div>So my questions to the people who question whether a CoC is
          necessary: </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>What if something genuinely awful happens? What will you
          do? </div>
        <div>What about something kind of bad? How will you recognize
          that, and how will you handle it? Who will do it?</div>
      </div>
      <div>How do you know what’s genuinely awful and what’s “kind of
        bad”? </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>These aren’t idle questions. these are exactly the kind of
        things that you have to plan for. Do you have answers for them?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Darrell</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div>
          <div><br>
            <div>
              <div>On Jan 11, 2015, at 19:41, Kate Chapman <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kate@maploser.com">kate@maploser.com</a>>


                wrote:</div>
              <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div dir="ltr">Hi All,
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>There are people that have pledged not to attend
                    conferences without a code of conduct. Honestly, I
                    asked for one to be put in place for Nottingham. I
                    would have had to seriously consider if I wanted to
                    keynote at a conference without a code of conduct if
                    the team hadn't understood the need and put one in
                    place. </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>We say that things are common sense and people
                    should just follow that, but honestly that isn't
                    enough. It is important to have clear guidelines
                    spelled out. I've been a conferences where there was
                    a code of conduct where incidents did happen, but
                    there was a clear plan to manage them. Conferences
                    where bad things happen and there is not a clear
                    plan often do not fair so well. </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>The Ada Initiative has great resources for
                    designing a code of conduct(1). There are also many
                    other open source foundations we could look up to
                    such as the Python Foundation that have codes for
                    their events and have required such since 2012(2).
                    Recently the QGIS community adopted a code of
                    conduct(3), a move which I applaud. </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Thanks,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>-Kate</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>(1) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://adainitiative.org/2014/02/howto-design-a-code-of-conduct-for-your-community/">https://adainitiative.org/2014/02/howto-design-a-code-of-conduct-for-your-community/</a></div>
                  <div>(2) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pyfound.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/psf-moves-to-require-code-of-conduct.html">http://pyfound.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/psf-moves-to-require-code-of-conduct.html</a></div>
                  <div>(3) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/codeofconduct/codeofconduct.html">https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/codeofconduct/codeofconduct.html</a></div>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:00
                    AM, Jachym Cepicky <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I
                      agree with Cameron's points lower. 
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I'm also not sure, that the lack of CoC will
                        "lower gender diversity" (do I assume correctly,
                        number of female attendees will be somehow
                        "lower", right?) and that it's presence on the
                        web site automatically means welcoming
                        conference.  </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Sanghee is writing it perfectly: " No
                        Discrimination, No Harassment are the baseline
                        morals of our general life to live". He also
                        expresses my feelings, about cultural context
                        difference. We should try to understand
                        everybody's cultural context, that's also one of
                        the reason, why FOSS4G is moving around the
                        globe and we can experience all the various
                        cultural aspects.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>From what Sanghee is writing, I have no
                        doubt, LOC will try to make the conference as
                        open and as welcoming to *everybody* as
                        possible.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Anyway: this e-mail is not about "banning CoC
                        for FOSS4Gs", but asking question, whether CoC
                        is really *the* thing, which will safe the
                        conference and guarantee, that everybody will
                        feel great there. Do what you think, is needed.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Jachym<br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">Thu Jan 08 2015 at
                          21:12:52 odesílatel Cameron Shorter <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>


                          napsal:
                          <div>
                            <div class="h5"><br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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                                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                  David,<br>
                                  I'm in favour of a Code Of Conduct,
                                  but suggest there should be some
                                  tweaking of the words (if using <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct"
                                    target="_blank">https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct</a>
                                  text)<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Reasons:<br>
                                  1. At the moment, I think some wording
                                  is a bit loose, and open to
                                  misinterpretation between cultures and
                                  geographic regions. What does "Sexual
                                  images" mean? Is it nudity? Does a
                                  photo of a field trip with naked
                                  natives constitute a "sexual image"?
                                  Is the clique advertisement of a
                                  pretty sales girl standing next to a
                                  car considered a "Sexual image"?
                                  Should we be using a Middle East
                                  definition of "Sexual image" or
                                  "American" where the norm for
                                  acceptable clothes are different? Is
                                  wearing a mini-skirt considered
                                  acceptable? (I don't have good words
                                  to address this, but suspect there
                                  would be template material somewhere
                                  which could be used).<br>
                                  <br>
                                  2. We should be careful to try and
                                  avoid attendees feeling that they are
                                  being lectured to, as if organisors
                                  expect attendees to be guilty. Maybe
                                  start with, "In order to ensure a
                                  pleasant experience for everyone, all
                                  attendees are *expected to*  ...
                                  (instead of *required to* ...)"<br>
                                  <br>
                                  David,<br>
                                  Once finalised, I suggest adding a
                                  section about "Code of Conduct" into:
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook"
                                    target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook</a></div>
                                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div>On 9/01/2015 4:28 am, Steven
                                    Feldman wrote:<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote type="cite"> There was
                                    also a short CoC for 2013 at <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://2013.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct/"
                                      target="_blank">http://2013.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct/</a> which



                                    corresponds to the short version of
                                    the 2015 NA CoC
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>David, this is a great
                                      initiative. Can we consider
                                      mandating a standard (and evolving
                                      through experience) CoC for all
                                      FOSS4G branded events and any
                                      other vents that claim to be
                                      affiliated to OSGeo?</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      <div> <span
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                                          Steven<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </span> </div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div>On 8 Jan 2015, at 17:08,
                                            David William Bitner <<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:bitner@dbspatial.com"
                                              target="_blank">bitner@dbspatial.com</a>>



                                            wrote:</div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Great!


                                              Thanks Sanghee!
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Has your team
                                                considered adding a code
                                                of conduct to your
                                                website? </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>The past two FOSS4G
                                                global events have
                                                included CoC's on the
                                                website as well as
                                                asking registrants to
                                                agree to the CoC by a
                                                checkbox on the
                                                registration form.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://2014.foss4g.org/attending/code-of-conduct/"
                                                  target="_blank">https://2014.foss4g.org/attending/code-of-conduct/</a><span> </span>and <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct" target="_blank">https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct</a><span> </span>are


                                                some examples that have
                                                been used.<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>We have received a
                                                lot of positive response
                                                from attendees since
                                                adding these to the
                                                conferences and have
                                                certainly seen an impact
                                                in gender diversity
                                                since incorporating
                                                CoC's into our websites
                                                along with other
                                                outreach and diversity
                                                initiatives. It is a
                                                very easy step towards
                                                ensuring that everyone
                                                is assured of the
                                                expectation of a
                                                welcoming conference! I
                                                am sure that other past
                                                conference chairs on
                                                this list can speak up
                                                to their experiences as
                                                well.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>I hope all is going
                                                well with planning for
                                                the event!</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Sincerely,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>David</div>
                                              <div><br>
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                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On


                                                Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at
                                                10:52 AM, Sanghee Shin<span> </span><span
                                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:endofcap@gmail.com" target="_blank">endofcap@gmail.com</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br>
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                                                    David, 
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I’m on the
                                                      list. You can talk
                                                      to me directly. </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>With regards, </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Sanghee</div>
                                                    <div>---</div>
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                                                          <div
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                                                          Shin, Chair of
                                                          FOSS4G 2015
                                                          Seoul <br>
                                                          "Toward Diversity!


                                                          FOSS4G Bigbang
                                                          from Seoul!"<br>
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                                                          @foss4g<br>
                                                          Facebook:
                                                          FOSS4G2015</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word">email:<span> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:foss4gchair@osgeo.org"
                                                          target="_blank">foss4gchair@osgeo.org</a></div>
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                                                          <div>2015. 1.
                                                          8., 오후 4:22,
                                                          David William
                                                          Bitner <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bitner@dbspatial.com"
                                                          target="_blank">bitner@dbspatial.com</a>>



                                                          작성:</div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Dear



                                                          Conference
                                                          Committee,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It has
                                                          recently been
                                                          brought to my
                                                          attention by a
                                                          member of our
                                                          community that
                                                          she noticed
                                                          the absence of
                                                          a Code of
                                                          Conduct for
                                                          the upcoming
                                                          Seoul FOSS4G.
                                                          I took this as
                                                          a huge sign
                                                          that the work
                                                          that has been
                                                          done by LOCs
                                                          in recent
                                                          FOSS4G,
                                                          regional OSGeo
                                                          events, and
                                                          other
                                                          technology and
                                                          geography
                                                          events towards
                                                          encouraging
                                                          diversity and
                                                          a welcoming
                                                          atmosphere to
                                                          all is indeed
                                                          being noticed.
                                                          I have also
                                                          been excited
                                                          to see based
                                                          simply on the
                                                          measure of
                                                          gender
                                                          diversity that
                                                          the numbers of
                                                          female
                                                          speakers has
                                                          been steadily
                                                          moving up over
                                                          the past
                                                          couple years.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I would
                                                          like to
                                                          encourage the
                                                          Conference
                                                          Committee (and
                                                          I am
                                                          volunteering
                                                          to do much of
                                                          the leg work)
                                                          to provide
                                                          guidelines for
                                                          implementing a
                                                          Code of
                                                          Conduct at
                                                          events for all
                                                          FOSS4G/OSGeo
                                                          related events
                                                          and to include
                                                          diversity
                                                          initiatives as
                                                          part of future
                                                          calls for
                                                          proposals for
                                                          the
                                                          international
                                                          event.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>While I
                                                          believe it is
                                                          too late for
                                                          the conference
                                                          committee to
                                                          make any
                                                          mandates to
                                                          the Seoul
                                                          team, is there
                                                          anyone who
                                                          knows the
                                                          folks on the
                                                          LOC that would
                                                          be willing to
                                                          help me reach
                                                          out to explain
                                                          the importance
                                                          of these
                                                          initiatives?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks!</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>David</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          --<span> </span><br>
                                                          <div>************************************<br>
                                                          David William
                                                          Bitner
                                                          <div>dbSpatial
                                                          LLC</div>
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                                              <div>************************************<br>
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