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Thanks Gina, Eli, Camille for your thoughts and responses.<br>
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I acknowledge that the approaches suggested (using judgement based
on the situation) appears to be the best way to approach the CoC.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/01/2015 11:08 am, Gina Blaber
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<div>In answer to your question,<span
style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"> O'Reilly does not have
guidelines for assessing whether an image is "sexualized".
I agree with Eli that it </span><span
style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">requires judgement, and
it's difficult to set criteria for all situations.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">However, when
I've spoken to individuals at our events about </span><span
style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">code of conduct issues
related to</span><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px"> "</span>sexualized
images in public spaces", not once has the person in question
argued with me and said they did not understand why this issue
was being raised. </div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">Best,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.7272720336914px">- Gina</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Eli
Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Jan 10, 2015 3:19 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a
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> Hi Gina,<br>
> I understand that you are the point of contact for
the O'Reilly conference code of conduct. [1]<br>
><br>
> The Open Source Geospatial (OSGeo) Conference
Committee is currently discussing setting up a code of
conduct for conferences [2]. I like the O'Reilly
wording, and have suggested OSGeo adopt something
similar.<br>
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> However, one thing I find lacking is a clear
definition of "sexualized images". Does O'Reilly have
guidelines for assessing whether an image is
"sexualized"?<br>
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> Would it be appropriate for a presenter to include
an image from a main stream media commercial?</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think the issue here is relevancy.
Sexualized images aren't necessarily entirely
prohibited. Irrelevant sexualized images are entirely
prohibited. If your talk is about open source software
used in making commercials, then showing any commercial
made with the software that passed the broadcast rules
where it was shown would be fair game (preferably these
commercials would be selected based on popularity,
success, or other criteria appropriate for evaluating
commercials, not just attention grabbing images). This
might (or even likely) include sexualized images. The
exact same image in a web standards talk is entirely
inappropriate and prohibited. </p>
<p dir="ltr">>Likewise, could such images be displayed
by vendors at conferences? I'd expect so. However, large
proportions of main stream commercials make use of
young, "sexy" models.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Same thing, if it is relevant it is fine. If
it is not relevant it is not. If an ad agency that uses
open source software and sponsors, they could include
portions of their work. The same images at a hardware
vendor sponsor would be inappropriate. <br>
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<p>Those are my opinions and how I would approach it.
Context is as important as the actual image. This
requires judgement and is difficult to set criteria for
all situations. The US Supreme Court in defining
"obscene" has become the punchline of many jokes, <a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it"
target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it</a>
but it does hint at the difficulty in defining such
things. </p>
<p>Some CoC incidents are minor and require nothing more
than a brief discussion about the CoC and agreement to
discontinue the offense. In most cases of mildly
inappropriate images in a presentation, you will be
asked to revise it and err on the side of caution for
the rest of the conference, not kicked out. And perhaps
have a discussion about why they were inappropriate in
the first place. <br>
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<p>The offenses and responses are both on a continuum, it
is the duty of reasonable people on the LOC to correctly
determine that. You ran a FOSS4G, click through these,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents"
target="_blank">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents</a>,
and decide what you would have done for each of these
had they happened in 2009. Some could be addressed by a
brief conversation and agreement to discontinue the
offense, others by contacting law enforcement and
passing the issue from the conference to the legal
system (although the conference could also take
additional measures).<br>
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<p>Best regards, Eli<br>
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<p dir="ltr">> I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
Feel free to forward this email to appropriate people.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
> Cameron Shorter<br>
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