<div dir="ltr">I really want to thank everyone here for engaging in this issue. I do appreciate all the different voices that have contributed to this conversation -- they all certainly speak to the diversity of thoughts and experiences that we already have in this community. <div><br></div><div>Cameron -- thank you very much for putting forward a first draft of a potential CoC for us to use. Before drafting and wordsmithing a CoC I want to step back and make sure we answer a few questions that would certainly impact how a CoC gets written. When we get to the point of drafting, we should certainly do so on the wiki (or other trackable collaborative medium) rather than in an email thread.</div><div><br></div><div>With some of the wording in this draft as well as seeing the discussion from the last Board Meeting, is the conference committee the correct venue for this discussion or should this be at the Board level so that this applies to all OSGeo activities (mailing lists, events, etc)? I am certain that many of the same people would remain engaged in helping draft a Code of Conduct either for the foundation as a whole or just for our events, but this certainly impacts the scope and wording required in a draft.</div><div><br></div><div>Many of the comments that I read as against having a CoC seem to stem from people wondering what does a CoC solve. Sadly, having a CoC does not "solve" anything. There will still be issues. A CoC simply provides one tool for us to help resolve those issues when they come up as well as providing a proactive statement that we aim to be a welcoming and diverse community to hopefully prevent some of those issues in the first place. A CoC is not the end point of diversity initiatives, but it is a very low hanging fruit to start with. Other initiatives that I know have been tried that we should continue to look at their effectiveness include author blind public program review, scholarship initiatives, proactively seeking out diversity in key notes, and many more things that we haven't tried. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Kate,<br>
No intent to offend. "Geek Girls" [1] is the name of a group here in
Australia (I thought it was a global term, but I may be wrong).
Maybe a cultural difference.<br>
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Maybe you are in a position to help craft a suitable concise
definition of "sexualized images" which could be incorporated into a
CoC? (Or possibly point us at others definitions)?<br>
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[1] <a href="https://www.facebook.com/GirlGeekCoffees" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/GirlGeekCoffees</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 15/01/2015 7:15 am, Kate Chapman
wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm going to assume good faith that you are not trying to
be offensive, but I am having a difficult time with some of
what you wrote.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:42 AM,
Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>
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I also think it adds little value, and will likely
offend a number of attendees, to enforce everyone to
tick a "I will abide by the CoC" box. Do obviously
reference the CoC, including using a 1 sentence
version of it which gets read. If people are going to
break the CoC, they will do so whether they tick a box
or not.<br>
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<div>I'm indifferent to a tickbox, but some of the better
run conferences that do have codes of conduct include
the tickbox as well as make references to the Code of
Conduct in multiple places on the site and at the
conference. </div>
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I do have an outstanding question about definition of
"sexualised image", which I expect will be challenging
to resolve. Does someone have links back to the geek
girls community to see if they can help with ideas?<br>
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<div>It is a bit insulting for you to ask if anyone has
any links to the "geek girls community" for multiple
reasons. The first being that we are women, not girls.
The second is you are implying that all the women who
have responded on this thread that are involved in OSGEO
are not geeks....One specific women is on the advisory
board of a non-profit(1) that has the entire mission of
helping women in open culture and open source.</div>
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<div>Also you keep saying "kick people out" I do know of
instances where people have been kicked out of
conferences, but it is typically for repeat offenses.
For example wearing an offensive shirt, being offered a
new one from the conference organizers and refusing it.
Or continuing to speak offensively or harass people
after being initially warned. </div>
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<div>-Kate</div>
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<div>(1) <a href="https://adainitiative.org/" target="_blank">https://adainitiative.org/</a></div>
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