<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=euc-kr"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Dear All,
</div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">I’d like to report updates on our discussion. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">1. Regarding CoC offline discussion at FOSS4G Seoul, we may have discussion at BOF meeting[0]. I believe Jeff already marked the timeslot there on 16th September. If you need more timeslots, just add to the BOF wiki please. Also if you want have any BOF meeting during FOSS4G Seoul, please add your plan to the wiki page. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">2. I removed my controversial(?) presentation from the main page. I think it was too outdated and not so attractive. It’s now time to promote through FOSS4G Seoul program itself. You may see new main page there[1]. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Your attending and participation is very crucial to the success of FOSS4G Seoul. Please register FOSS4G Seoul(<a href="http://2015.foss4g.org/attending/registration/" class="">http://2015.foss4g.org/attending/registration/</a>) and meet up in Seoul altogether!!</div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">All the best, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sanghee</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>[0]<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2015_BirdsOfAFeather" class="">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2015_BirdsOfAFeather</a><div class="">[1]<a href="http://2015.foss4g.org/" class="">http://2015.foss4g.org/</a><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:34, Sanghee Shin <<a href="mailto:shshin@gaia3d.com" class="">shshin@gaia3d.com</a>> 작성:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=euc-kr" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Dear All,
</div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we can have that spaces before/during/after FOSS4G Seoul and will report to you. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">And I also agree with some advices that because my presentation was highly dependent on verbal explanation, it not so effective itself to deliver my clear intention. I’ll think about how to handle this. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Thanks again for great and wonderful inputs. </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">How about having a break for while?</div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">All the best, </div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Sanghee</div><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:22, Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> 작성:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Once again I express my opinion:<div class="">I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the agreed CoC.</div><div class="">Do we really want to argue about the images and content of anyone presentation? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The community is the best referee of the conduct of its members not a bunch of people deciding what is good or not.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And YES, we can discuss it in Seoul to find a way to rise attention to the CoC and discuss more (but friendly and with respect of diversity ;-) )</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maxi</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-25 10:07 GMT+02:00 Pat Tressel <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ptressel@myuw.net" target="_blank" class="">ptressel@myuw.net</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">I hesitate to step into the "sexism in tech" debate, but... There may be some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant -- some specifically have to do with conferences. This list is not R-rated, so rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you search queries that will bring them up:<br class=""><br class=""></div>"PyCon donglegate"<br class=""></div>"TechCrunch sexism"<br class=""></div>"Pax Dickenson brogrammer"<br class=""></div>"GamerGate"<br class=""><br class=""></div>Those are only tips of the iceberg -- they are specific symptoms of a more general attitude. I've listed them in order of seriousness. I expect that these will get the "that's just PC" objection, but are threats of rape and murder really just "for fun"? And if the objection is that women just just force their way into tech, I have two words for you: hiring manager. And no, not all of us have the resources to start our own companies. Venture funding is rarely offered to women.<br class=""><br class="">When I worked as a software engineer for Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) in the 90s, the group I was in was half women. No, not secretaries and support staff -- engineers. But there was a difference in attitude, which one can see in the fact that although DEC ceased to exist in 1998 (sold to Compaq), we *still have reunions* and active social networks. The switch to deliberately provoking competition and infighting between employees, via stack ranking and similar management fads, is exacerbating the rise of sexism in tech -- there is now an aspect of "us against them". Because employment is a zero-sum game, (re)entry of women in tech would mean fewer positions and less money for men. (Competing against other men doesn't trigger the same level of response since men are already in the pool -- it's the thought of the pool *doubling* that is causing this fear.) Since this style of management (stemming from Jack Welch) is taught in b-schools, it will take some time to turn the ship around. But there are some signs of light: Microsoft recently cancelled stack ranking, and is making a significant effort to reestablish teamwork and cooperation. That took being publicly shamed (see the article in Vanity Fair, titled ~ "How Stack Ranking Killed Innovation at Microsoft") and a new CEO (Satya Nadella, replacing Steve Ballmer).<br class=""><br class=""></div>There's also plain old bias. This research by Google HR is fascinating:<br class=""><a href="https://www.gv.com/lib/unconscious-bias-at-work" target="_blank" class="">https://www.gv.com/lib/unconscious-bias-at-work</a><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Watch especially where ~ the entire audience, men and women both, fails the test, right there on camera...<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div>
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