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    <p>Thanks Maria for pointing out the 100% quorum from the board
      processes. I'm supportive of your suggestion for using the board
      voting procedures with the 50% quorum amendment.</p>
    <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/09/2016 9:05 AM, Darrell Fuhriman
      wrote:<br>
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      Oh yah, I guess I overlooked that bit.
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      <div class="">I agree that 100% for a quorum is unnecessary and
        50% seems reasonable to me.</div>
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      <div class="">d.</div>
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            <div class="">On Sep 21, 2016, at 14:38, Maria Antonia
              Brovelli <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>>
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                  class="">This requires that ALL members vote, i.e.
                  quorum = 100 %.   A minimum 50 % quorum is milder and
                  takes into account that for some reason some of the
                  members don't have the possibility of voting. I prefer
                   this second option.</div>
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                  class="">Therefore I'm positive with the proposal
                  adding the 50 % quorum.</div>
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                  class="">Best.</div>
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                  class="">Maria</div>
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                          Politecnico di Milano</font></div>
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                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        class="">conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
                      per conto di Cameron Shorter <<a
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                        href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br
                        class="">
                      <b class="">Inviato:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mercoledì
                      21 settembre 2016 22.50<br class="">
                      <b class="">A:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Darrell
                      Fuhriman; massimiliano cannata<br class="">
                      <b class="">Cc:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org"
                        class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br
                        class="">
                      <b class="">Oggetto:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] MOTION : Conference Committee
                      - Updating Membership Policies and Process</font>
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                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">Thanks Maxi for the suggestion. I like
                      it.<br class="">
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                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">I agree that the board voting processes
                      are good. I'd actually prefer to use them as
                      written, without addition of a mention of "needing
                      50% of members to vote".</div>
                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">My reasons:</div>
                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">1. It retains consistency between
                      committees.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">2. It will still work within a weakened
                      committee (with many inactive members)</div>
                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">Maria, Venka, others,</div>
                    <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
                      class="">Do you have any objections to adopting
                      board voting procedures?<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                        class="">
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                    <br class="">
                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/09/2016 1:48 AM,
                      Darrell Fuhriman wrote:<br class="">
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                    <blockquote type="cite" class="">This seems
                      perfectly reasonable to me.
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                      <div class="">d.</div>
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                          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                            <div class="">On Sep 21, 2016, at 05:50,
                              massimiliano cannata <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@gmail.com"
                                class="">massimiliano.cannata@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:</div>
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Cameron and
                                Steven,
                                <div class="">as a suggestion why don't
                                  you take the well tested procedure
                                  adopted at board level [1]?</div>
                                <div class="">(And herein after reported
                                  for shake of semplicity...)</div>
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                                    1.3; font-family: 'linux libertine',
                                    georgia, times, serif;" lang="en">Board
                                    Voting Procedure</h1>
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                                        libertine', georgia, times,
                                        serif; line-height: 1.3;"><span
                                          class="gmail-mw-headline"
                                          id="gmail-Purpose">Purpose</span></h2>
                                      <div class="" style="margin: 0.5em
                                        0px; line-height: inherit;">This
                                        document explains the voting
                                        procedure for motions put
                                        forward to the OSGeo Board of
                                        Directors.</div>
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                                          Process</span></h2>
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                                        <li class=""
                                          style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">Board
                                          voting occurs during monthly
                                          meetings, as well as a
                                          followup vote through email</li>
                                        <li class=""
                                          style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">each
                                          Board member may vote “+1” to
                                          indicate support for the
                                          motion.</li>
                                        <li class=""
                                          style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">each
                                          Board member may vote “-1” to
                                          veto a motion, but must
                                          provide clear reasoning and
                                          alternate approaches to
                                          resolving the problem within
                                          the two business days.</li>
                                        <li class=""
                                          style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">A
                                          vote of "-0" indicates mild
                                          disagreement, but has no
                                          effect. A "0" indicates no
                                          opinion. A "+0" indicate mild
                                          support, but has no effect.</li>
                                        <li class=""
                                          style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">A
                                          motion will be passed once all
                                          of the Board members place a
                                          vote, and no vetoes are
                                          received (-1).</li>
                                        <li class=""
                                          style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;">If
                                          a motion is vetoed, and it
                                          cannot be revised to satisfy
                                          all parties, then it can be
                                          resubmitted for an override
                                          vote, in which a majority of
                                          all Board members indicating
                                          +1 is required to pass it.</li>
                                      </ul>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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                                </div>
                                <div class="">Maybe you could change "A
                                  motion will be passed once all of the
                                  Board members place a vote" with "A
                                  motion will be passed once 50% of the
                                  Board members place a vote"...</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">Best,</div>
                                  <div class="">Maxi</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">[1]<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                                        href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Voting_Procedure"
                                        class="">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Voting_Procedure</a><br
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2016-09-21
                                  13:58 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                                    dir="ltr" class=""><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank" class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br
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                                      <div style="margin-top: 0px;
                                        margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hi
                                        Maria,</div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0px;
                                        margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I
                                        think we need to ensure that any
                                        rules we put in place will be
                                        viable under both robust and
                                        weakened committees. A simple
                                        test is "Would these guidelines
                                        work within a flagging
                                        committee?" Eg: What if 8 out of
                                        11 of the members have become
                                        inactive and are uncontactable?
                                        Would these guidelines still
                                        work?</div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0px;
                                        margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Note
                                        also that committee members are
                                        volunteers and we can't
                                        "require" them to vote. We can
                                        "request" they vote, maybe even
                                        go as far as "expecting" them to
                                        vote.</div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0px;
                                        margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I'll
                                        propose alternative text. As it
                                        stands, I think Steven's words
                                        are a better starting point to
                                        work from. (I'm aware he put a
                                        lot of time into it, and it went
                                        through a number of iterations
                                        of reviews, which is partly why
                                        I think it is well worded).</div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0px;
                                        margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Suggested
                                        alternative text (which includes
                                        the 50% of members voting):<br
                                          class="">
                                      </div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0px;
                                        margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><i
                                          class=""><span class=""
                                            style="color: rgb(37, 37,
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                                            display: inline !important;">Everyday
                                            topics will be decided upon
                                            by an open vote of all
                                            committee members in a
                                            clearly designated separate
                                            mail thread (+1/-1) over a
                                            minimum of two business
                                            days. We will aim to ensure
                                            at least 50% of members
                                            vote. Ideally we aim for
                                            consensus falling back on
                                            simple majority vote where
                                            necessary. The result will
                                            be clearly declared
                                            afterwards (or whatever is
                                            decided).</span></i></div>
                                      <div class="">
                                        <div class="h5"><br class="">
                                          <div class="">On 21/09/2016
                                            5:06 PM, Maria Antonia
                                            Brovelli wrote:<br class="">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class="h5">
                                            <div class="">Below my first
                                              motion about voting
                                              motions </div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">*******************</div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div dir="auto" class="">When
                                                a motion is presented, a
                                                quorum of 50% has to be
                                                reached in order to
                                                consider valid the vote.
                                                Reached this threshold,
                                                the majority rule is
                                                adopted.</div>
                                              <div dir="auto" class="">If
                                                there is no majority
                                                consensus, the members
                                                who didn't vote are
                                                required to vote ( ar
                                                least one of them). In
                                                case of parity,  the
                                                motion is discussed
                                                again until a
                                                convergence is found. </div>
                                              <div dir="auto" class=""><br
                                                  class="">
                                              </div>
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                                                <div class=""><font
                                                    class=""
                                                    style="font-size:
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                                                    face="HelveticaNeue">If
                                                    anyone has more
                                                    comments or
                                                    suggestions that
                                                    they wish to make
                                                    please get them by
                                                    18.00 GMT on 22nd
                                                    September. Voting
                                                    the motion will be
                                                    open then and up to
                                                    25 September 18 pm.</font></div>
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                                                    class=""
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                                                    style="font-size:
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                                                    class=""
                                                    face="HelveticaNeue"><span
                                                      class=""
                                                      style="font-size:
                                                      17.3347px;">Cheers</span></font></div>
                                                <div class=""><font
                                                    class=""
                                                    face="HelveticaNeue"><span
                                                      class=""
                                                      style="font-size:
                                                      17.3347px;">Maria </span></font></div>
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                                            </div>
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                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
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                                                style="font-size: 14px;
                                                color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">Sent
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                                            <br class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            -------- Original message
                                            --------<br class="">
                                            From: Steven Feldman<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank" class=""><shfeldman@gmail.com></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                            Date: 20/09/2016 20:25
                                            (GMT+01:00)<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                              class="">
                                            To: Maria Antonia Brovelli<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
                                              target="_blank" class=""><maria.brovelli@polimi.it></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                            Cc: conference<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org"
                                              target="_blank" class=""><conference_dev@lists.osgeo.<wbr
                                                class="">org></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                            Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf]
                                            [Board] MOTION : Conference
                                            Committee - Updating
                                            Membership Policies and
                                            Process<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                              class="">
                                            <br class="">
                                            <div class="">Thanks Maria
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">I support a
                                                >50% must vote and
                                                the majority of the
                                                voters to decide. Did
                                                you mean to not have a
                                                veto in CC voting? <br
                                                  class="">
                                                <div class=""><br
                                                    class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">Can you
                                                  redraft the motion and
                                                  post the new motion as
                                                  a new thread for
                                                  people to comment on
                                                  with a cutoff when
                                                  voting starts<br
                                                    class="">
                                                  <div class=""><span
                                                      class=""
                                                      style="border-collapse:
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                                                      line-height:
                                                      normal;
                                                      border-spacing:
                                                      0px;">______<br
                                                        class="">
                                                      Steven<br class="">
                                                      <br class="">
                                                    </span></div>
                                                  <br class="">
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      type="cite"
                                                      class="">
                                                      <div class="">On
                                                        20 Sep 2016, at
                                                        19:12, Maria
                                                        Antonia Brovelli
                                                        <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" target="_blank" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>>
                                                        wrote:</div>
                                                      <br class="">
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <div class=""
                                                          style="word-wrap:
                                                          break-word;">
                                                          <div class="">If
                                                          we are
                                                          speaking about
                                                          less than one
                                                          vote per
                                                          month,
                                                          probably it is
                                                          not so hard
                                                          for at least
                                                          the half of
                                                          the people to
                                                          vote. </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          propose again
                                                          formally:
                                                           quorum at 50%
                                                          and majority
                                                          for the
                                                          acceptance of
                                                          the motion.</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Many
                                                          thanks for
                                                          everything.</div>
                                                          <div class="">Maria </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""
style="font-size: 14px; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">Sent from my Samsung
                                                          device</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          --------
                                                          Original
                                                          message
                                                          --------<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          From: Steven
                                                          Feldman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                          class="">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          Date:
                                                          20/09/2016
                                                          11:51
                                                          (GMT+01:00)<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          To: Maria
                                                          Antonia
                                                          Brovelli <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          Cc: conference
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.<wbr
                                                          class="">org</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [OSGeo-Conf]
                                                          [Board] MOTION
                                                          : Conference
                                                          Committee -
                                                          Updating
                                                          Membership
                                                          Policies and
                                                          Process<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">Maria
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">There
                                                          are very few
                                                          votes in the
                                                          CC, I am not
                                                          sure of the
                                                          exact number
                                                          but I would
                                                          guess that it
                                                          is less than
                                                          10 per year.</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">The
                                                          votes that I
                                                          recall in the
                                                          last year have
                                                          been to
                                                          appoint you
                                                          and Till as
                                                          members of the
                                                          committee, to
                                                          appoint me as
                                                          chairman and
                                                          the votes for
                                                          the 2 stages
                                                          of the 2017
                                                          RfP process.
                                                          Perhaps
                                                          someone else
                                                          can correct
                                                          me?</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          am going to
                                                          back out of
                                                          this
                                                          discussion
                                                          until others
                                                          to propose an
                                                          alternative if
                                                          they wish. <br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class=""><span
                                                          class=""
                                                          style="border-collapse:
                                                          separate;
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Helvetica;
                                                          font-style:
                                                          normal;
                                                          font-weight:
                                                          normal;
                                                          letter-spacing:
                                                          normal;
                                                          line-height:
                                                          normal;
                                                          text-indent:
                                                          0px;
                                                          text-transform:
                                                          none;
                                                          white-space:
                                                          normal;
                                                          word-spacing:
                                                          0px;">______<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Steven<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          20 Sep 2016,
                                                          at 10:32,
                                                          Maria Antonia
                                                          Brovelli <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">Dear
                                                          Steven, as
                                                          already said I
                                                          don't agree on
                                                          the voting
                                                          mechanism and,
                                                          as you have
                                                          seen, there is
                                                          not a
                                                          consensus. I
                                                          prefer that we
                                                          before "solve"
                                                          this
                                                          question. </div>
                                                          <div class="">And
                                                          sorry for
                                                          asking you
                                                          again, you who
                                                          have been
                                                          doing so much
                                                          work for this
                                                          Committee (
                                                          thanks a
                                                          lot!!!):
                                                          nobody
                                                          answered me
                                                          about how many
                                                          motions were
                                                          voted in the
                                                          last year. I
                                                          want to put
                                                          myself in
                                                           Cameron's
                                                          clothes (
                                                          literally
                                                          translated
                                                          from italian;
                                                          ��probably in
                                                          English you
                                                          don't have
                                                          this
                                                          expression. In
                                                          any case it is
                                                          like "point of
                                                          view") and
                                                          understand
                                                          pragmatically
                                                          how much
                                                          commitment was
                                                          and is implied
                                                          with respect
                                                          to voting.</div>
                                                          <div class="">Thanks
                                                          again and have
                                                          a nice day</div>
                                                          <div class="">Maria </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""
style="font-size: 14px; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">Sent from my Samsung
                                                          device</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          --------
                                                          Original
                                                          message
                                                          --------<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          From: Steven
                                                          Feldman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                          class="">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          Date:
                                                          19/09/2016
                                                          23:16
                                                          (GMT+01:00)<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          To: Maria
                                                          Antonia
                                                          Brovelli <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>>,
                                                          Venka <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:venka.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">venka.osgeo@gmail.com</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          Cc:<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>,
                                                          conference
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.<wbr
                                                          class="">org</a>>,
                                                          Cameron
                                                          Shorter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [OSGeo-Conf]
                                                          [Board] MOTION
                                                          : Conference
                                                          Committee -
                                                          Updating
                                                          Membership
                                                          Policies and
                                                          Process<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""
style="direction: inherit;">Maria (and Venka)</div>
                                                          <div class=""
style="direction: inherit;"><br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""
style="direction: inherit;">My problem is that there are now 77 mails in
                                                          this thread
                                                          and I am not
                                                          sure whether
                                                          you and Venka
                                                          voted against
                                                          our vetoed. If
                                                          you did veto,
                                                          how do the
                                                          substantial
                                                          majority of
                                                          the committee
                                                          who voted in
                                                          favour find a
                                                          way to
                                                          resolve?</div>
                                                          <div class=""
style="direction: inherit;"><br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""
style="direction: inherit;">To me this doesn't seem a very effective way
                                                          of reaching a
                                                          decision on a
                                                          relatively
                                                          minor
                                                          procedural
                                                          change which
                                                          apparently is
                                                          not very
                                                          different to
                                                          the procedures
                                                          in some other
                                                          committees.</div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Steven
                                                          <div class="">07958
                                                          924 101</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          On 19 Sep
                                                          2016, at
                                                          21:57, Cameron
                                                          Shorter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="margin-top:
                                                          0px;
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                                                          0px;" class="">Hi
                                                          Maria,</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="margin-top:
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                                                          class="">
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                                                          <div
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                                                          I've noticed
                                                          as part of
                                                          many OSGeo
                                                          Committees is
                                                          that after a
                                                          while, some of
                                                          the members
                                                          become less
                                                          active and
                                                          less
                                                          responsive,
                                                          and that is
                                                          ok.<br
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                                                          <div
                                                          style="margin-top:
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                                                          typical
                                                          person's
                                                          engagement is
                                                          a little like
                                                          a bell curve.
                                                          They start off
                                                          being
                                                          respectful and
                                                          quite during a
                                                          learning
                                                          phase, then
                                                          get engaged
                                                          and
                                                          productive,
                                                          often solving
                                                          a particular
                                                          "itch", then
                                                          involvement
                                                          tapers off as
                                                          the person's
                                                          interest are
                                                          reprioritised.
                                                          When that
                                                          person becomes
                                                          less active,
                                                          they typically
                                                          have excellent
                                                          advise based
                                                          on experience,
                                                          worth
                                                          listening too.
                                                          However,
                                                          because the
                                                          project is not
                                                          the person's
                                                          primary focus
                                                          they are not
                                                          monitoring or
                                                          voting on
                                                          day-to-day
                                                          project
                                                          activities.<br
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                                                          <div
                                                          style="margin-top:
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                                                          suggesting our
                                                          committee
                                                          guidelines
                                                          should allow
                                                          for this
                                                          engagement
                                                          pattern,
                                                          allowing old
                                                          hands to
                                                          provide advise
                                                          when they have
                                                          time and when
                                                          practical.<br
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                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          20/09/2016
                                                          6:36 AM, Maria
                                                          Antonia
                                                          Brovelli
                                                          wrote:<br
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                                                          style="margin-top:
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                                                          I understand
                                                          your position.
                                                          Anyway I think
                                                          that more
                                                          people
                                                          participating
                                                          to a
                                                          discussion and
                                                          taking
                                                          decision is
                                                          better than
                                                          few. And,
                                                          again, which
                                                          is the problem
                                                          in voting?
                                                          Once you read
                                                          a motion, if
                                                          it is a simple
                                                          one, it is
                                                          easy to answer
                                                          with 0 or +1
                                                          (it requires
                                                          just a couple
                                                          of seconds).
                                                          If there are
                                                          doubts, better
                                                          to discuss it
                                                          in such a way
                                                          to find a
                                                          larger
                                                          consensus.
                                                          Sorry, but I
                                                          really don't
                                                          see the
                                                          problem.</div>
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                                                          Maria Antonia
                                                          Brovelli<br
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                                                          Rector for
                                                          Como Campus
                                                          and GIS
                                                          Professor<br
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                                                          Politecnico di
                                                          Milano</font></div>
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face="'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif" size="3"><span class=""
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                                                          class="">ISPRS
                                                          WG IV/4"<span
                                                          class="">Collaborative
                                                          crowdsourced
                                                          cloud mapping
                                                          (C3M)</span>";</span><span
                                                          class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="">OSGeo;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="">ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS
                                                          Advisory <font
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                                                          NASA WorldWind
                                                          Europa
                                                          Challenge;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="">SIFET </span></div>
                                                          </span></font></font>
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                                                          class=""><b
                                                          class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          face="'Trebuchet
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                                                          class=""
                                                          face="'Trebuchet
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                                                          sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Katz<font class=""
                                                          face="'Trebuchet
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                                                          sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="" face="'Trebuchet
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                                                          sans-serif">Award<font
                                                          class=""
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                                                          sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>2015</font></font></font></font></font></b></span></font></font><br
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                                                          class="">Via
                                                          Natta, 12/14 -
                                                          22100 COMO
                                                          (ITAL<font
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                                                          <div class=""
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                                                          class="">Tel.
+39-031-3327336 - Mob.</span><span class=""><span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>+39-328-0023867
                                                          -<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                                          class="">fax.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="">+39-031-3327321</font></span></div>
                                                          <div class=""
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moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">maria.brovelli@<wbr
                                                          class="">polimi.it</a></font></font></span></div>
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                                                          class=""
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moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:prorettrice@como.polimi.it"
                                                          target="_blank"
                                                          class="">prorettrice@como.polimi.it</a></font></font></span></div>
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