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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Sep 2016, at 08:33, Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">I again propose to vote on 1) </div>
<div class="">We have been discussing for many days and sooner or later we have to take a decision, which will not be the same for all of us.</div>
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<div class="">Please, shall we vote on </div>
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<div class="">1) For the voting procedures of the Conference Committee the Board . Voting<br class="">
procedure made milder with the introduction of a 50 % quorum is adopted.<br class="">
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<div class="">Best.</div>
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Da: <a href="mailto:till.adams@fossgis.de" class="">till.adams@fossgis.de</a> <br class="">
Data: 27/09/2016 08:59 (GMT+01:00) <br class="">
A: <a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a> <br class="">
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] Amended MOTION (items 1-5): Conference Committee - Updating Membership Policies and Process
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Eli, @all,<br class="">
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indeed this is a different question and before I read your example of 4 <br class="">
people having read the full proposals instead of 8, that just skimmed <br class="">
through it, I'd have said, that we for sure need a 50% quorum.<br class="">
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But, thinking about this for as while, I still think that 50% quorum is <br class="">
needed: I do not want to say, that the CC is the "most important" <br class="">
committee, but it cares for our most important flagship:<br class="">
Our global conference. So if I want to be member of that committee, <br class="">
everybody in and around OSGeo can expect, that I will do my job.<br class="">
My opinion: If I will not do my job, you can remove me from the <br class="">
committee, because I am useless and I just occupy a position, other <br class="">
motivated people want to have but presumably can't.<br class="">
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I think the idea of Steven, to reduce the voting numbers to 11 helps us <br class="">
to catch up with that problem. If we have 11 interested, motivated and <br class="">
engaged people, with 1-2 coming in and 1-2 leaving every year, we should <br class="">
be able to have at least more than 4 people reading the proposals and <br class="">
more than 5 people, who vote.<br class="">
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Regards, Till<br class="">
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Am 2016-09-27 00:03, schrieb Eli Adam:<br class="">
> Hi Maria and all,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Maybe it was missed in the length of the other thread. I had some<br class="">
> specific question and cited specific examples. What are your <br class="">
> thoughts<br class="">
> on these items?<br class="">
><br class="">
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli<br class="">
> <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> wrote:<br class="">
>> Here the amended motion.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> In my opinion it is the very time of voting to be able to go ahead.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> It is better to vote before for 1) in such a way that we have a <br class="">
>> procedure<br class="">
>> and then vote for 2-5.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Steven, I leave you to decide the time.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Best.<br class="">
>> Maria<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> 1) For the voting procedures of the Conference Committee the Board <br class="">
>> Voting<br class="">
>> procedure made milder with the introduction of a 50 % quorum is <br class="">
>> adopted.<br class="">
>><br class="">
><br class="">
> I'd like to propose quorum of greater than or equal to 25%. Is that<br class="">
> agreeable to you?<br class="">
><br class="">
> I think that we need to be based on reality, not ideals. Here are<br class="">
> some OSGeo projects with votes less than 50% including the conference<br class="">
> committee making the most important decision it makes every year. To<br class="">
> me these represent continued success, not failure.<br class="">
><br class="">
> <a href="https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-132" target="_BLANK" class="">
https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-132</a><br class="">
> <a href="http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-89.html" target="_BLANK" class="">http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-89.html</a><br class="">
> <a href="https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/issues/44" target="_BLANK" class="">
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/issues/44</a><br class="">
> <a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/rfc63_sparse_datasets_improvements" target="_BLANK" class="">
https://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/rfc63_sparse_datasets_improvements</a><br class="">
><br class="">
> These projects have many more votes with greater than 50%<br class="">
> participation; maybe those were more interesting topics or better<br class="">
> timed with personal events in people's lives.<br class="">
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>><br class="">
>> <br class="">
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>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> 2) The number of members of the Conference Committee is equal to 17.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Previously Paul made a call for everyone who didn't vote to resign,<br class="">
> <br class="">
> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2012-April/001723.html" target="_BLANK" class="">
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2012-April/001723.html</a><br class="">
> and I think that was generally poorly received. Subsequently I think<br class="">
> Cameron did something like that with the intent of spurring people<br class="">
> into action (which worked).<br class="">
><br class="">
> 50% is fine with me except to keep the committee functional, we need<br class="">
> to routinely raise motions to remove committee members who haven't<br class="">
> voted. I think a better method is a lower quorum. Both work but one<br class="">
> seems unfriendly.<br class="">
><br class="">
> What do other committee members think? What is a reasonable and<br class="">
> obtainable quorum percentage? Is removing members for lack of<br class="">
> participation a good idea?<br class="">
><br class="">
> I'd rather the votes of 4 people who read three entire 50+ page<br class="">
> proposals than the votes of 8 people who skimmed the proposals or of<br class="">
> those same 4 people after removing the non-voting other 4 yielding<br class="">
> 100% voting.<br class="">
><br class="">
> I'm glad that we're clarifying our operating procedures on the <br class="">
> committee.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Best regards, Eli<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> 3) The retirement policy adopted by the Conference Committee is the <br class="">
>> same as<br class="">
>> that of the Board.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Conference Committee membership is for a 2 year term with half of <br class="">
>> the<br class="">
>> Conference Committee seats coming up for election each year.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> 4) The present Committee continues for an year and we hold election <br class="">
>> in 2017<br class="">
>> with the 9 seats (9 of the longest serving members vacating their <br class="">
>> seats in<br class="">
>> Conference Committee) coming up for election.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> 5) Voting for Conference Committee members is restricted to the <br class="">
>> remaining<br class="">
>> Conference Committee members and Board members who are not members <br class="">
>> of the<br class="">
>> Conference Committee<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> ----------------------------------------------------<br class="">
>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli<br class="">
>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor<br class="">
>> Politecnico di Milano<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)"; <br class="">
>> OSGeo;<br class="">
>> ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge; <br class="">
>> SIFET<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Sol Katz Award 2015<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALY)<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> e-mail1: <a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> e-mail2: <a href="mailto:prorettrice@como.polimi.it" class="">prorettrice@como.polimi.it</a><br class="">
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