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    <p>Maria, board,</p>
    <p>Thanks for looking for a solution to the paralyzing of conference
      committee decision making process, and putting it on the board
      agenda.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Sorting out the issue of voting is important, but I feel is
      missing the more important underlying problem:</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>"Why do we have enthusiastic volunteers leave OSGeo due to
      frustration? Why are our committees shrinking in size and
      effectiveness?" Could these question please be added to the board
      agenda.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>I suggest that there has been a subtle cultural change over the
      last 5 years or so. Volunteer effectiveness has been reduced as we
      have been less trusting and more controlling of our volunteers'
      initiatives, making it harder for volunteers to "scratch an itch".
      This reduces the fun of contributing.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>If the OSGeo board is supportive, I'm open to be involved in a
      discussion to help expand upon these ideas, and the practical
      steps to put them in place.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Of note, if you read between the lines in the email thread below,
      a lot of the ideas have already been raised from respected
      community members.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2016 6:54 AM, Maria Antonia
      Brovelli wrote:<br>
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        <p><span>Of course I'm not enthusiastic, I'm not enthusiastic at
            all. In fact, as I wrote when I was not part of the Board
            and a as logic consequence of the situation (the message
            from many people was: the CC decides about conferences, the
            Board about governance), we asked the Board to discuss and
            to decide about the governance. And in order not to slow
            down the activities, we (now I'm part of the Board) have a
            Board meeting very soon. </span></p>
        <p><span>Therefore, as you can see, I'm <span>promptly </span>moving
            toward searching a solution.</span></p>
        <p><span>Thanks a lot  for your detailed suggestions and
            comments (all of you).</span></p>
        <p><span>Have a lovely week.</span></p>
        <p><span>Maria</span></p>
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                      </span></b></font></span></font>Prof. Maria
              Antonia Brovelli<br>
              <div><font face="'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif" size="3">Vice
                  Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor<br>
                  Politecnico di Milano</font></div>
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                        WG IV/4"<span>Collaborative crowdsourced cloud
                          mapping (C3M)</span>";</span><span>
                      </span><span>OSGeo; </span><span>ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS
                        Advisory <font face="'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif">Board</font>;
                        NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge;
                      </span><span>SIFET </span></p>
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                  +39-031-3327336 - Mob.</span><span> +39-328-0023867 -
                </span><span>fax. <font color="000000">+39-031-3327321</font></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span>e-mail1: <font
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          <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
              face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Da:</b>
              Conference_dev
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a> per conto
              di Paul Ramsey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca"><pramsey@cleverelephant.ca></a><br>
              <b>Inviato:</b> domenica 9 ottobre 2016 16.59<br>
              <b>A:</b> conference<br>
              <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] Amended MOTION
              (items 1-5): Conference Committee - Updating Membership
              Policies and Process</font>
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          <div>
            <div dir="ltr">If most members of this committee despair at
              this fiasco, I can only imagine the enthusiasm with which
              the board will take it up. Except maybe they'll be very
              enthusiastic, since it is the board members on this
              committee that have stuck sticks in the spokes of Steven's
              motion.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I see recent conference chairs and prospective chairs
                in support of Steven's changes, and Board members
                opposed. I supported them myself, even though that meant
                superannuating myself from the committee. Well and good:
                it's been a decade since my conference, and a smaller
                committee might actually be able to move a little more
                nimbly and do more than just winnow a couple RPF
                responses every 12 months.</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Venka and Maria, you seem surprisingly willing to
                destroy the village in order to save it. I dunno what to
                think.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>ATB,</div>
              <div>P<br>
                <div><br>
                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 5:41
                      AM, Venkatesh Raghavan <span dir="ltr">
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:venka.osgeo@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">venka.osgeo@gmail.com</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        Dear All,<br>
                        <br>
                        Firstly, the amended motion [1] on quorum can be
                        re-proposed<br>
                        since it did not pass due to lack of sufficient
                        votes.<br>
                        <br>
                        I had voted on the amended [1] and original [2]
                        motions<br>
                        taking into consideration the present guidelines
                        [3]<br>
                        which has been in use by our foundation for the
                        last<br>
                        10 years.<br>
                        <br>
                        I standby my -1 vote (which represents a veto as
                        per our current<br>
                        guidelines [3]) for the original motion [2]. I
                        also stand by my<br>
                        +1 vote for the amended motion [1] on quorum
                        requirement.<br>
                        <br>
                        I think that the contents of the original motion
                        [2] calls for consultation with the board since
                        it reflects a major change in the existing
                        committee guidelines [3] which it is not a
                        matter to be discussed and decided on the
                        conference mailing list alone.<br>
                        <br>
                        Also, I think that once the voting on the
                        motions are completed and<br>
                        the results are declared, it is inappropriate to
                        ask members to change<br>
                        their votes.<br>
                        <br>
                        As mentioned in the beginning of this mail, the
                        amended motion [1] could<br>
                        be re-tabled with the appropriate voting
                        deadline (1 week, 10 days?).<br>
                        <br>
                        [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2016-September/004003.html"
                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
                          https://lists.osgeo.org/piperm<wbr>ail/conference_dev/2016-Septem<wbr>ber/004003.html</a><br>
                        [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2016-September/003859.html"
                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
                          https://lists.osgeo.org/piperm<wbr>ail/conference_dev/2016-Septem<wbr>ber/003859.html</a><br>
                        [3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines"
                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
                          https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Co<wbr>mmittee_Guidelines</a><br>
                        <br>
                        Best<br>
                        <br>
                        Venka
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            On 10/9/2016 7:49 PM, <a
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                              href="mailto:till.adams@fossgis.de"
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                            wrote:<br>
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                              Dear all,<br>
                              <br>
                              following Peter, Steven and Cameron, I'd
                              propose that Venka and Maria<br>
                              make alternative proposals on which we can
                              go on to vote within a<br>
                              certain period of time (don't mind, if 5
                              days or 10 days). If they do<br>
                              not deliver an alternative proposal, I'd
                              encourage Steven (who is still<br>
                              our chair and also put this motion
                              initially on the board) to<br>
                              re-proposes the originally proposal for a
                              majority vote.<br>
                              <br>
                              With this we at least continue our work
                              and come to a solution.<br>
                              Everything else would be just a
                              preservation of a not cleared condition<br>
                              and I assume (and hope), that this is not
                              what Venka and Maria intended.<br>
                              <br>
                              Till<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              As Peter said, we can<br>
                              <br>
                              Am 2016-10-09 02:45, schrieb Michael
                              Terner:<br>
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                                Please count another STRONG +1 to
                                Camerons observations and<br>
                                suggestions.<br>
                                <br>
                                From our vantage of needing strong,
                                stable support from Conference Dev<br>
                                (for FOSS4G 17 in Boston), there is a
                                need to bring these discussions<br>
                                to closure, and without losing some of
                                the braintrust. Again, from our<br>
                                perspective less bureaucracy, and more
                                agility will be good things.<br>
                                And, while the pool of people who are
                                "most interested and involved"<br>
                                may go through some cycles, there has
                                always seemed to be a strong<br>
                                critical mass, and thats fine. Would
                                love to see an outcome where<br>
                                Stevens proposals can come into some
                                form of being, and for Stevens<br>
                                hand to return to the tiller...<br>
                                <br>
                                Respectfully, MT<br>
                                <br>
                                On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Peter
                                Batty <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com"
                                  target="_blank">peter@ebatty.com</a>
                                [37]><br>
                                wrote:<br>
                                <br>
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                                  +1 to Camerons email.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  For what its worth, it was mentioned
                                  somewhere along the way that<br>
                                  the board voting procedure, which I
                                  think is what we are supposed to<br>
                                  be following in terms of these vetoes
                                  etc, says that "If a motion is<br>
                                  vetoed, and it cannot be revised to
                                  satisfy all parties, then it can<br>
                                  be resubmitted for an override vote,
                                  in which a majority of all<br>
                                  Board members indicating +1 is
                                  required to pass it."<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Voting_Procedure"
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Bo<wbr>ard_Voting_Procedure</a>
                                  [33]<br>
                                  <br>
                                  So if someone wants to re-propose the
                                  original motion which had<br>
                                  strong majority support at the time,
                                  we can re-vote on that, if<br>
                                  enough people are still watching. I
                                  dont especially want to<br>
                                  re-propose it myself as I dont have a
                                  strong interest in this<br>
                                  procedural stuff, and I have lost
                                  track of whether there were any<br>
                                  amendments to the original motion
                                  proposed by Steven that should be<br>
                                  incorporated in a re-submitted motion.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM,
                                  Cameron Shorter<br>
                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>
                                  [34]> wrote:<br>
                                  <br>
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                                    Hi Maria,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I fear that you are not appreciating
                                    that by applying a veto, and<br>
                                    then not stepping up to "do whatever
                                    it takes to get resolution",<br>
                                    you are breaking one of the core
                                    principles of successful open<br>
                                    source communities.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    It breaks the motivation and
                                    enthusiasm of volunteers. Note<br>
                                    Stephens initial drive, motivation
                                    and enthusiasm changing to his<br>
                                    submitting his resignation.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Stephens Return-On-Effort for his
                                    contribution has been<br>
                                    significantly impacted by the amount
                                    of red-tape imposed upon him.<br>
                                    It has impacted one of our key human
                                    driving motivators - our<br>
                                    desire for autonomy and ability to
                                    set our own direction. (Refer<br>
                                    to Daniel Pinks "Drive" [1] which
                                    summarises research on<br>
                                    motivation).<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Likewise we have seen the rest of
                                    the conference committee suffer<br>
                                    email fatigue and drop out of the
                                    conversation. Silently dropping<br>
                                    out of the volunteer community.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Please ask yourself:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    * Is OSGeo better without Stephen
                                    being involved in it?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    * Is OSGeo better without Stephen
                                    taking on the significant<br>
                                    amount of work he has been doing
                                    cleaning up FOSS4G processes?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    * Am I prepared to take on all the
                                    work that Stephen is doing if<br>
                                    he is to leave?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    * Am I prepared to lead a new
                                    proposal through a voting process<br>
                                    all the way to conclusion? (Noting
                                    how hard it has been so far)<br>
                                    <br>
                                    If your answer is "No" to any of the
                                    above, please re-consider<br>
                                    your veto vote. I suspect you really
                                    would like to back our<br>
                                    enthusiastic OSGeo volunteers.
                                    Usually it is better to get a "good<br>
                                    enough" solution than "no solution
                                    at all". It can always be<br>
                                    improved in a later iteration. And I
                                    suspect you would want to<br>
                                    attract and encourage our volunteers
                                    to participate?<br>
                                    <br>
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                                    <br>
                                    Warm regards, Cameron<br>
                                    <br>
                                    On 8/10/2016 1:33 AM, Even Rouault
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <br>
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                                      Maria,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Im not sure what is the exact
                                      scope you intend with<br>
                                      "Committees", and in<br>
                                      particular if that would apply to
                                      the voting rules of the PSC<br>
                                      of projects, but<br>
                                      as far as Im concerned, Im rather
                                      satisfied with what we have<br>
                                      currently (for<br>
                                      the GDAL project). I would fear
                                      that requirements for a minimum<br>
                                      quorum could<br>
                                      cause issues since it is not
                                      uncommon to have very few people<br>
                                      taking part to<br>
                                      the vote of some decisions.<br>
                                      Eli Adam pointed in<br>
                                      <br>
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                                      [28]<br>
                                      several examples of different
                                      projects with low vote<br>
                                      participation in some<br>
                                      votes. That is a bit sad of
                                      course, wed like to have 100%<br>
                                      participation, but<br>
                                      thats the reality.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Best,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Even<br>
                                      <br>
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                                        Dear Steven,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I dont withdraw my vetoe. As
                                        said,  Ill ask  the Board to<br>
                                        decide about<br>
                                        the governance of the
                                        Committees.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Have a wonderful holiday!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Cheers to everybody.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Maria<br>
                                        <br>
                                        ------------------------------<wbr>----------------------<br>
                                        Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
                                        Vice Rector for Como Campus and
                                        GIS Professor<br>
                                        Politecnico di Milano<br>
                                        <br>
                                        ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative
                                        crowdsourced cloud mapping<br>
                                        (C3M)"; OSGeo;<br>
                                        ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board;
                                        NASA WorldWind Europa<br>
                                        Challenge; SIFET Sol<br>
                                        Katz Award 2015<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO
                                        (ITALY)<br>
                                        Tel. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                        [1] - Mob.
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                                        [2] - fax.<br>
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                                        e-mail1: <mailto:<a
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                                        [4]><br>
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                                        [5]<br>
                                        e-mail2: <a
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                                        [6]<br>
                                        <br>
                                        ______________________________<wbr>__<br>
                                        Da: Conference_dev <<a
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                                        [7]> per conto di<br>
                                        Steven Feldman <<a
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                                        [8]> Inviato: martedì 4<br>
                                        ottobre 2016 20.18<br>
                                        A: Conference Dev<br>
                                        Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Conf]
                                        [Board] Amended MOTION (items
                                        1-5):<br>
                                        Conference<br>
                                        Committee - Updating Membership
                                        Policies and Process<br>
                                        <br>
                                        It isn’t clear to me whether
                                        Venka and Maria withdrew their<br>
                                        vetoes.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        My reading is that the committee
                                        whilst voting by a majority<br>
                                        for the<br>
                                        original motion does not feel
                                        strongly about the matter and<br>
                                        there is no<br>
                                        appetite to extend the
                                        discussion. I do not wish to
                                        take a<br>
                                        chair’s<br>
                                        initiative to force the motion
                                        through and then attempt to<br>
                                        impose its<br>
                                        consequences, I think that
                                        should be up to the next chair
                                        of<br>
                                        the<br>
                                        committee.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        It is my intention to stand down
                                        as chair of the conference<br>
                                        committee at<br>
                                        the end of the 2018 selection
                                        process.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        So let’s leave the motion
                                        undecided and focus on the<br>
                                        selection for 2018<br>
                                        until the end of the year.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        In that regard, I will be
                                        travelling between October 13th
                                        and<br>
                                        November 7th,<br>
                                        internet may be limited for some
                                        of the time. Is there anyone<br>
                                        willing to<br>
                                        stand in to push things along
                                        (facilitate questions on LoIs,<br>
                                        trigger the<br>
                                        vote and notify the results)
                                        whilst I am away? I will be back<br>
                                        to pick<br>
                                        things up before the final
                                        proposals come in.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Cheers<br>
                                        ______<br>
                                        Steven<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 30 Sep 2016, at 13:45,
                                        Cameron Shorter<br>
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                                        [9]<mailto:<a
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                                        [10]>> wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Steven, others,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        The conference committee is
                                        ineffective if it cant make<br>
                                        efficient<br>
                                        decisions. Usually, any decision
                                        is better than no decision,<br>
                                        and is<br>
                                        certainly the case for this
                                        motion. Im in favour of Steven,<br>
                                        as chair,<br>
                                        using his best judgement to
                                        finalise this vote and move<br>
                                        forward to being<br>
                                        effective again.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Steven, I trust your judgement,
                                        and you have my vote.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Warm regards, Cameron<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 30/09/2016 7:35 PM, Steven
                                        Feldman wrote:<br>
                                        I am combining Maria’s mail and
                                        Venka’s (copied below)<br>
                                        and responding to<br>
                                        both<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Several people have expressed
                                        concern that a lot of committee<br>
                                        members have<br>
                                        not voted on the recent
                                        amendment and have suggested
                                        that if<br>
                                        they do not<br>
                                        vote in a further round of
                                        voting on the amendment and/or
                                        the<br>
                                        original<br>
                                        motion they should be obliged to
                                        stand down for the<br>
                                        committee.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        It has been suggested that not
                                        voting indicates a lack of<br>
                                        commitment. I<br>
                                        disagree, we have a committee
                                        whose expertise is in the<br>
                                        delivery of FOSS4G<br>
                                        events, particularly the global
                                        events. I would not be<br>
                                        surprised or<br>
                                        concerned if several of them are
                                        not interested in the<br>
                                        procedural details<br>
                                        of what quorum we should require
                                        on the odd occasion that we<br>
                                        vote. As long<br>
                                        as they commit their time and
                                        experience to carefully<br>
                                        considering the<br>
                                        LoI’s and Proposals in the
                                        FOSS4G selection process, asking<br>
                                        penetrating<br>
                                        and insightful questions and
                                        then voting to select our<br>
                                        recommendation to<br>
                                        the board I am grateful for
                                        their participation.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Not withstanding what I have
                                        just said, I do believe that the<br>
                                        committee<br>
                                        size should be limited to 11 and
                                        should have a defined<br>
                                        retirement process<br>
                                        as I proposed in the original
                                        motion.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I don’t see the lack of votes
                                        for Maria’s amendment as a<br>
                                        dereliction of<br>
                                        duty, I see it as a sign of
                                        exhaustion with this seemingly<br>
                                        never ending<br>
                                        debate. The mail trail now
                                        exceeds 120! After extensive<br>
                                        discussion, the<br>
                                        original motion which
                                        incorporated the standard
                                        Committee<br>
                                        Guidelines on<br>
                                        voting was voted for by a strong
                                        majority of the committee<br>
                                        (+1 = 12, +0 =<br>
                                        1, -1 = 2, no votes = 3 of which
                                        one verbally supported the<br>
                                        motion but did<br>
                                        not place a formal vote). We
                                        have now spent nearly 2 working<br>
                                        weeks<br>
                                        discussing  amendments and have
                                        voted on one (there are<br>
                                        potentially 4 more<br>
                                        amendments to discuss and vote
                                        on, one of which potentially<br>
                                        reverses the<br>
                                        intention of the original motion
                                        by seeking to increase<br>
                                        rather than reduce<br>
                                        the size of the committee). In
                                        my opinion, this is not the<br>
                                        reasonable<br>
                                        pursuit of consensus it is
                                        bordering on an abuse of
                                        process.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        The voting rules that were
                                        proposed in the original motion<br>
                                        are based on the<br>
                                        Committee Guidelines which are
                                        in use in several of our<br>
                                        committees and<br>
                                        PSCs. If these guidelines
                                        represent a ‘benevolent<br>
                                        dictatorship’ (what<br>
                                        others may describe as a
                                        do-ocracy) that is now
                                        considered<br>
                                        unacceptable,<br>
                                        then it is for the Board to
                                        initiate a discussion (and<br>
                                        presumably a vote<br>
                                        amongst the charter membership)
                                        that changes these guidelines<br>
                                        for all<br>
                                        committees not just for the
                                        Conference Committee.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        It is up to Venka and Maria if
                                        they wish to insist on a<br>
                                        further vote. If we<br>
                                        are to vote again, we need to be
                                        clear whether we are voting<br>
                                        on the<br>
                                        original motion or the amended
                                        motion or a further amended<br>
                                        motion which<br>
                                        also includes some or all of the
                                        further amendments (2-5)<br>
                                        which have yet<br>
                                        to be fully discussed.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I recognise that as the proposer
                                        of the original motion who<br>
                                        has strong<br>
                                        views on this topic, I may be
                                        struggling to maintain the<br>
                                        balance and<br>
                                        objectivity necessary to act as
                                        chair on this matter. If<br>
                                        anyone feels that<br>
                                        the committee would be better
                                        served by me standing aside for<br>
                                        the<br>
                                        remainder of the discussion and
                                        voting on this matter, please<br>
                                        say so and I<br>
                                        will temporarily stand down.
                                        When the committee reaches a<br>
                                        conclusion on<br>
                                        the motion and we have been
                                        through the cycle of retirements<br>
                                        and elections<br>
                                        (presumably early 2017 after the
                                        FOSS4G 2018 selection is<br>
                                        completed), I<br>
                                        suggest that the new committee
                                        selects its chairman.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I will be going off line from
                                        the end of business today until<br>
                                        Wednesday to<br>
                                        celebrate the Jewish New Year.
                                        If there is to be further<br>
                                        discussion or<br>
                                        voting initiated I hope that the
                                        vote extends until I am back<br>
                                        online.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Shanah tovah u’metukah (may you
                                        have a good and sweet year)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        ______<br>
                                        Steven<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 30 Sep 2016, at 07:43, Maria
                                        Antonia Brovelli<br>
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                                        [11]<mailto:<a
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                                        [12]>> wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Steven<br>
                                        Im also confused and demoralised
                                        as well. The main problem in<br>
                                        my opinion<br>
                                        is the inactivity of this
                                        commission (it could be also of<br>
                                        other<br>
                                        commissions, but Im not part of
                                        other commissions). Im<br>
                                        surprised about<br>
                                        how the main problem is to find
                                        an easy solution when the<br>
                                        problem is why 9<br>
                                        people didnt find the time (=
                                        interest) of voting. Even if<br>
                                        volunteers<br>
                                        and, in my opinion, more as
                                        volunteers we have to be
                                        reliable<br>
                                        people<br>
                                        committed with our community.
                                        Unfortunately Im not able to<br>
                                        notice that<br>
                                        attitude in the last voting. If
                                        I have to tell you the truth,<br>
                                        Im, above<br>
                                        all, sad and surprise that for
                                        the most of people this is a<br>
                                        normal<br>
                                        situation at which we have
                                        simply to put a patch. Sorry for<br>
                                        being so<br>
                                        direct, obviously Im not
                                        thinking of you, who have been
                                        doing<br>
                                        so much for<br>
                                        this Committee ( thanks again)
                                        or other people, but the<br>
                                        situation is<br>
                                        really and definitely different
                                        with respect of that I<br>
                                        thought to find in<br>
                                        an OSGeo Committee. Good day to
                                        everybody.<br>
                                        Maria<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Inviato dal mio dispositivo
                                        Samsung<br>
                                        <br>
                                        -------- Messaggio originale
                                        --------<br>
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                                        A: Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
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                                        Oggetto: Re: R: [OSGeo-Conf]
                                        [Board] Amended MOTION (items<br>
                                        1-5):<br>
                                        Conference Committee - Updating
                                        Membership Policies and<br>
                                        Process<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Maria<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I am confused. I think you mean
                                        that the amendment did not<br>
                                        pass? Are you<br>
                                        withdrawing your veto of the
                                        original motion (which had<br>
                                        support from a<br>
                                        substantial majority of the
                                        committee)?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        What do you mean by "Therefore
                                        we will vote as in the past<br>
                                        for the other<br>
                                        items."?  What other items? The
                                        only voting rules we had in<br>
                                        the past were<br>
                                        the Committee Guidelines, which
                                        were incorporated into the<br>
                                        original<br>
                                        motion. Can you clarify?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Venka could you advise whether
                                        your veto still stands<br>
                                        following this vote<br>
                                        on Marias amendment?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        This example of our decision
                                        making process cannot be<br>
                                        appropriate for a<br>
                                        voluntary community. Please lets
                                        bring this to a conclusion<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Steven<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 29 Sep 2016, at 22:46, Maria
                                        Antonia Brovelli<br>
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                                        [20]>> wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Dear Steven<br>
                                        The motion didnt pass.<br>
                                        Therefore we will vote as in the
                                        past for the other items.<br>
                                        Many thanks.<br>
                                        Best regards.<br>
                                        Maria<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Inviato dal mio dispositivo
                                        Samsung<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Venka said:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Dear All,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Sorry if this mail sounds a
                                        little mixed-up as<br>
                                        I am trying to answer multiple
                                        points raised<br>
                                        after the voting status on the
                                        amended motion<br>
                                        was declared.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        The way I look at the 25% quorum
                                        threshold, suggested by Eli,<br>
                                        is that it is close to the
                                        "benevolent dictatorship"<br>
                                        decision model. One of our
                                        projects in incubation<br>
                                        was asked to retire since the
                                        lead developer proposed<br>
                                        to adopt such a model for the
                                        project PSC.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Our Charter Member rules allow
                                        for retiring<br>
                                        members who have not voted over
                                        a continuous period<br>
                                        of two years. Since charter
                                        members vote only for<br>
                                        the board election, this means
                                        that they are retired<br>
                                        if they do not cast their one
                                        vote (for Board election)<br>
                                        in consecutive years.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Considering the above, I suggest
                                        that the Amended Motion<br>
                                        for quorum be tabled for one
                                        last time with a specific<br>
                                        indication that members who have
                                        not voted for<br>
                                        the motion in two (or three)
                                        consecutive rounds of voting<br>
                                        will be considered as retired
                                        and the votes by the<br>
                                        members who participate in the
                                        third round of voting<br>
                                        would be considered valid.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        If we still have only 7 members
                                        voting for the third round<br>
                                        of voting, the majority votes
                                        among the 7 could be<br>
                                        used if the motion has passed or
                                        not.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Regarding the query from Steve
                                        whether some of us would<br>
                                        like reconsider our votes in the
                                        initial round of voting,<br>
                                        I think, that since the voting
                                        results were already<br>
                                        declared, it would be better to
                                        decide with the third<br>
                                        and final round of voting.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Best<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Venka<br>
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