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+1 - fully agreed. So we wil lhint on our regular time period, but
let the bidding teams propose their favoured times.<br>
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I just wanted to start a discussion around this and detect the
opinions around that. <br>
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(Now knowing, that also is an option in the meaning of some members
of CC, I feel less guilty because we @Bonn started this August-dates
;-))<br>
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Till<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.09.2017 19:59, schrieb Steven
Feldman:<br>
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+1 to everything MT has said below re dates
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<div class="">I’d also add that moving to September may well mean
a clash with the Jewish High Holy Days which often land in
September or early October. No date choice works for everyone!</div>
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<div class="">Let’s live the choice of date open to bidders and
ask them to give some explanation of the reason for their choice
and the outline possible options to move to another date/venue
at a different cost (if any)<br class="">
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<div class="">On 3 Sep 2017, at 18:29, Michael Terner <<a
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Just one note on
dates coming in the wake of Boston where we heard
loud, and often about our mid-August time period. And,
as has been pointed out, this timing did not deter our
ability to attract a record number of delegates:</div>
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sans-serif">No time period is good for everyone.
Some people are on vacation in August. Other
people have significant academic calendar
challenges with September. There will <i
class="">always</i> be some people
disappointed/frustrated by a given date. I do
not believe it is in the best interest of the
conference to declare that August vacations are
more/less important than other legitimate
conflicts with other time periods.</font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" face="tahoma,
sans-serif">At least in the US, there are
significant cost and availability variations
between August and September/October. Boston
would have been a more expensive conference,
with more expensive lodging had it been held in
September.</font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" face="tahoma,
sans-serif">Indeed, while August does mean that
some people who are on vacation cannot come, it
is likely that it also opened up an ability for
others to come who might not have been able to
make a September date (hence the good attendance
figures from the past 2 August conferences).</font></li>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="tahoma, sans-serif">From
my vantage, it is OK to have a conference that
moves around an August - October time period. The
specific conference date is chosen by the CC/Board
and based on what was proposed. I do not believe
it is in the best long term interest of the
conference to have iron-clad limits on what might
be proposed.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="tahoma, sans-serif">Reading
from afar, it looks like very good work, with
predictable challenges attempting to be addressed
(i.e., cost containment; data selection; etc.). </font><span
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="">Best
of luck in getting the RFP for 2019 on the street.</span><span
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class=""> </span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:33 PM,
Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Till,<br
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<br class="">
Thanks so much for taking the lead on this. In our
do-ocracy your vote counts for much.<br class="">
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Re selecting dates, I agree we have diverse opinions
on dates and are not likely to agree, but lets not
have our committee members select a conference venue
based on date proposed, (which might be the case if
the opinions voiced here is the case). It is not
fair to the cities putting in proposals.<br class="">
<br class="">
We should collectively work out our opinion as a
committee, and provide that information to
proposers. Maybe do a poll of voting committee
members for date ranges, and present that
information to proposing cities.
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On 31/8/17 11:58 pm, Till Adams wrote:<br
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Hi CC,<br class="">
<br class="">
based on the discussion that already took pace
in the past 2 hours, I think we will not find
an agreement, that satisfies everybody here.
I'd suggest to follow Steven (let the bidding
teams suggest their prefered date) and add a
comment, that teams should line out, what an
alternative date would mean in sight of costs
or other circumstances (in Bonn they tourist
office simply told me, that they could not
block as many accommodations as needed).<br
class="">
<br class="">
So, if a bidding team suggests a date, that
lies in "normal" holiday periods (I know, that
holidays vary from year to year, in Germany
they do it for every state every year), we
could please them to briefly line out what an
alternative date in, let's say, September
would mean.<br class="">
<br class="">
I'd more prefer, if anybody from CC (except
Steven, he is on holidays ;-)) could make
comments on my time schedule for the RFP...
;-)<br class="">
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Till<br class="">
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Am <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:31.08.2017%2015"
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class="">31.08.2017 15</a>:51, schrieb Dirk
Frigne:<br class="">
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IMHO was Bonn (2016) during the last week of
August. Boston (2017) was<br class="">
August 15, which is a holiday and in the
middle of the holiday season.<br class="">
<br class="">
my2c.<br class="">
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btw, how many visitors where in Boston?<br
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On 31-08-17 15:17, Bart van den Eijnden
wrote:<br class="">
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Several members of our community have
pointed out that it is an issue<br
class="">
for them to attend, e.g. Jeroen Ticheler
pointed this out before. For me<br
class="">
this is the same, I normally can't attend
a conference in the school<br class="">
vacation. Boston wasn't possible. Bonn was
barely possible because<br class="">
schools had just started that week (but
some years school vacation will<br
class="">
be until early September even due to
regional rotation).<br class="">
<br class="">
Looking at attendance figures and saying
it's no big issue doesn't<br class="">
really give the right attention to the
problem IMHO.<br class="">
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Also even if the venue might be cheaper,
I'm sure flights and<br class="">
accommodation will be expensive in the
European holiday season.<br class="">
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Best regards,<br class="">
<br class="">
Bart<br class="">
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On 31-08-17 15:03, Steven Feldman wrote:<br
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2016 was in august and attracted 940/950
people<br class="">
2017 was in august and attracted 1140
people<br class="">
That's record attendance 2 years running
(in August)<br class="">
<br class="">
Doesn't look like August is a big issue
for us in the northern<br class="">
hemisphere.<br class="">
I also heard from some of the organisers
that they were able to obtain<br
class="">
lower rates for venues in August<br
class="">
<br class="">
I think we should leave it to LOCs to
propose the dates that work for<br
class="">
them based on regional holiday patterns,
pricing, weather and any<br class="">
other constraints they may have<br
class="">
<br class="">
Now I'm going back to my end of august
holiday ;)<br class="">
<br class="">
Steven<br class="">
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On 31 Aug 2017, at 13:15, María Arias de
Reyna <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class="">delawen@gmail.com</a>>
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Also I can imagine of editing the
section regarding the conference<br
class="">
dates:<br class="">
I think we just have s.t.h like a
target timeperiod (Sept-Oct), but we<br
class="">
should hint bidding teams, that they
may choose the best and/or<br
class="">
maybe also<br class="">
cheaper period around this target
period. On the other hand, I also<br
class="">
know,<br class="">
that there have been some problems
for people attending the<br class="">
conferences in<br class="">
2016 and 2017 that took place in
holiday-pregnant August, so maybe<br
class="">
we can<br class="">
also have a discussion whether we
can/will allow people to have their<br
class="">
conference in August?<br class="">
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I think this is very important. Having
the conference during the<br class="">
northern summer may look appealing to
people that go to conferences as<br
class="">
if they were holidays. But for people
that need to take care of their<br
class="">
family or people that just want to
enjoy their holidays disconnecting<br
class="">
from work, this is a major issue.<br
class="">
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