<div dir="ltr">+1 on allowing bidders flexibility on the dates that they propose.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:31 AM, Till Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:till.adams@fossgis.de" target="_blank">till.adams@fossgis.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    +1 - fully agreed. So we wil lhint on our regular time period, but
    let the bidding teams propose their favoured times.<br>
    <br>
    I just wanted to start a discussion around this and detect the
    opinions around that. <br>
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    (Now knowing, that also is an option in the meaning of some members
    of CC, I feel less guilty because we @Bonn started this August-dates
    ;-))<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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    Till</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <div class="m_-1874218421751104417moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.09.2017 19:59, schrieb Steven
      Feldman:<br>
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      +1 to everything MT has said below re dates
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      <div>I’d also add that moving to September may well mean
        a clash with the Jewish High Holy Days which often land in
        September or early October. No date choice works for everyone!</div>
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      <div>Let’s live the choice of date open to bidders and
        ask them to give some explanation of the reason for their choice
        and the outline  possible options to move to another date/venue
        at a different cost (if any)<br>
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            Steven<br>
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            <div>On 3 Sep 2017, at 18:29, Michael Terner <<a href="mailto:mgt@appgeo.com" target="_blank">mgt@appgeo.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Just one note on
                  dates coming in the wake of Boston where we heard
                  loud, and often about our mid-August time period. And,
                  as has been pointed out, this timing did not deter our
                  ability to attract a record number of delegates:</div>
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                    <li><font face="tahoma,
                        sans-serif">No time period is good for everyone.
                        Some people are on vacation in August. Other
                        people have significant academic calendar
                        challenges with September. There will <i>always</i> be some people
                        disappointed/frustrated by a given date. I do
                        not believe it is in the best interest of the
                        conference to declare that August vacations are
                        more/less important than other legitimate
                        conflicts with other time periods.</font></li>
                    <li><font face="tahoma,
                        sans-serif">At least in the US, there are
                        significant cost and availability variations
                        between August and September/October. Boston
                        would have been a more expensive conference,
                        with more expensive lodging had it been held in
                        September.</font></li>
                    <li><font face="tahoma,
                        sans-serif">Indeed, while August does mean that
                        some people who are on vacation cannot come, it
                        is likely that it also opened up an ability for
                        others to come who might not have been able to
                        make a September date (hence the good attendance
                        figures from the past 2 August conferences).</font></li>
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                  <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">From
                      my vantage, it is OK to have a conference that
                      moves around an August - October time period. The
                      specific conference date is chosen by the CC/Board
                      and based on what was proposed. I do not believe
                      it is in the best long term interest of the
                      conference to have iron-clad limits on what might
                      be proposed.</font></div>
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                  <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Reading
                      from afar, it looks like very good work, with
                      predictable challenges attempting to be addressed
                      (i.e., cost containment; data selection; etc.). </font><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Best
                      of luck in getting the RFP for 2019 on the street.</span><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></div>
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                  <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">MT</font></div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:33 PM,
                  Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <br>
                    Thanks so much for taking the lead on this. In our
                    do-ocracy your vote counts for much.<br>
                    <br>
                    Re selecting dates, I agree we have diverse opinions
                    on dates and are not likely to agree, but lets not
                    have our committee members select a conference venue
                    based on date proposed, (which might be the case if
                    the opinions voiced here is the case). It is not
                    fair to the cities putting in proposals.<br>
                    <br>
                    We should collectively work out our opinion as a
                    committee, and provide that information to
                    proposers. Maybe do a poll of voting committee
                    members for date ranges, and present that
                    information to proposing cities.
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                        On 31/8/17 11:58 pm, Till Adams wrote:<br>
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                          Hi CC,<br>
                          <br>
                          based on the discussion that already took pace
                          in the past 2 hours, I think we will not find
                          an agreement, that satisfies everybody here.
                          I'd suggest to follow Steven (let the bidding
                          teams suggest their prefered date) and add a
                          comment, that teams should line out, what an
                          alternative date would mean in sight of costs
                          or other circumstances (in Bonn they tourist
                          office simply told me, that they could not
                          block as many accommodations as needed).<br>
                          <br>
                          So, if a bidding team suggests a date, that
                          lies in "normal" holiday periods (I know, that
                          holidays vary from year to year, in Germany
                          they do it for every state every year), we
                          could please them to briefly line out what an
                          alternative date in, let's say, September
                          would mean.<br>
                          <br>
                          I'd more prefer, if anybody from CC (except
                          Steven, he is on holidays ;-)) could make
                          comments on my time schedule for the RFP...
                          ;-)<br>
                          <br>
                          Till<br>
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                          Am <a href="tel:31.08.2017%2015" value="+13108201715" target="_blank">31.08.2017 15</a>:51, schrieb Dirk
                          Frigne:<br>
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                            IMHO was Bonn (2016) during the last week of
                            August. Boston (2017) was<br>
                            August 15, which is a holiday and in the
                            middle of the holiday season.<br>
                            <br>
                            my2c.<br>
                            <br>
                            btw, how many visitors where in Boston?<br>
                            <br>
                            On 31-08-17 15:17, Bart van den Eijnden
                            wrote:<br>
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                              Several members of our community have
                              pointed out that it is an issue<br>
                              for them to attend, e.g. Jeroen Ticheler
                              pointed this out before. For me<br>
                              this is the same, I normally can't attend
                              a conference in the school<br>
                              vacation. Boston wasn't possible. Bonn was
                              barely possible because<br>
                              schools had just started that week (but
                              some years school vacation will<br>
                              be until early September even due to
                              regional rotation).<br>
                              <br>
                              Looking at attendance figures and saying
                              it's no big issue doesn't<br>
                              really give the right attention to the
                              problem IMHO.<br>
                              <br>
                              Also even if the venue might be cheaper,
                              I'm sure flights and<br>
                              accommodation will be expensive in the
                              European holiday season.<br>
                              <br>
                              Best regards,<br>
                              <br>
                              Bart<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              On 31-08-17 15:03, Steven Feldman wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                2016 was in august and attracted 940/950
                                people<br>
                                2017 was in august and attracted 1140
                                people<br>
                                That's record attendance 2 years running
                                (in August)<br>
                                <br>
                                Doesn't look like August is a big issue
                                for us in the northern<br>
                                hemisphere.<br>
                                I also heard from some of the organisers
                                that they were able to obtain<br>
                                lower rates for venues in August<br>
                                <br>
                                I think we should leave it to LOCs to
                                propose the dates that work for<br>
                                them based on regional holiday patterns,
                                pricing, weather and any<br>
                                other constraints they may have<br>
                                <br>
                                Now I'm going back to my end of august
                                holiday ;)<br>
                                <br>
                                Steven<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                On 31 Aug 2017, at 13:15, María Arias de
                                Reyna <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com" target="_blank">delawen@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                    Also I can imagine of editing the
                                    section regarding the conference<br>
                                    dates:<br>
                                    I think we just have s.t.h like a
                                    target timeperiod (Sept-Oct), but we<br>
                                    should hint bidding teams, that they
                                    may choose the best and/or<br>
                                    maybe also<br>
                                    cheaper period around this target
                                    period. On the other hand, I also<br>
                                    know,<br>
                                    that there have been some problems
                                    for people attending the<br>
                                    conferences in<br>
                                    2016 and 2017 that took place in
                                    holiday-pregnant August, so maybe<br>
                                    we can<br>
                                    also have a discussion whether we
                                    can/will allow people to have their<br>
                                    conference in August?<br>
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                                  I think this is very important. Having
                                  the conference during the<br>
                                  northern summer may look appealing to
                                  people that go to conferences as<br>
                                  if they were holidays. But for people
                                  that need to take care of their<br>
                                  family or people that just want to
                                  enjoy their holidays disconnecting<br>
                                  from work, this is a major issue.<br>
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