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    <p>+1 from me that future global FOSS4G RFP documents require
      organising committees publish full accounts (at a similar level of
      detail to the budget submitted with the RfP) within x months of
      the event finishing.</p>
    <p>Such information should also be provided by large regional FOSS4G
      events (such as FOSS4G-NA), and strongly encouraged (but not
      mandated) from smaller regional and local events. (The smaller
      events often don't have as much process and capacity.)<br>
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    <p>Such information should also be linked from our FOSS4G Cookbook
      at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Budget">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Budget</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/6/18 9:09 pm, Steven Feldman
      wrote:<br>
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      It has been the "norm” but not a requirement that LOCs publish
      their accounts following a FOSS4G. In the case of a global event
      where OSGeo has a funding agreement or guarantee with the LOC in
      return for a share of the surplus (if any) then an "open book"
      approach is implicit in that agreement. 
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        <div class="">I would not expect preparing a schedule of income
          and expenditure for a conference to be a lot of effort. The
          organising team or their PCO must maintain some schedules to
          record income and expenditure. </div>
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      <div class="">I just had a quick look at the RfP doc and it does
        not explicitly state that full accounts (at a similar level of
        detail to the budget submitted with the RfP) should be published
        within x months of the event finishing. I suggest we add that
        requirement to the RfP doc for 2020.</div>
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      <div class="">Here are the accounts for FOSS4G 2013 which we
        published in December 2013 <a
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            <div class="">On 14 Jun 2018, at 04:44, Cameron Shorter <<a
                href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" class=""
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                <p class="">Sara,</p>
                <p class="">I'd suggest it might be helpful to explain
                  why you are requesting people open the books.
                  Providing a worthy motivation will likely help inspire
                  a volunteer to help you.<br class="">
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                <p class="">There is typically quite a bit of volunteer
                  effort required to pull together past data into a
                  usable format. Quite often it requires data to be
                  de-personalised for public consumption. Maybe you can
                  say something along the lines of "if you release the
                  metrics, then I will be able to add value to the osgeo
                  community to help ..."<br class="">
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/6/18 8:20 am, michael
                  terner wrote:<br class="">
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                      style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Sara:</div>
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                      style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I fully
                      support the notion of "open books" and the Boston
                      Team has endeavored to do that. Indeed, when
                      asking volunteers to do so much in this ecosystem
                      it is important to have openness around the
                      finances.</div>
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                    <div class="gmail_default"
                      style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">This tweet
                      from Matthew Hanson had a picture of the "raw"
                      (and rounded) Boston numbers that I presented in a
                      talk at FOSS4GNA in STL:</div>
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                      There's one other slide in that deck that showed
                      the net results (i.e., surplus) and I would be
                      happy to share the entire deck with this list if
                      useful. Just ask. (And, we have lots of other more
                      granular data if there are other, specific
                      questions [e.g., speaker fees; # of people who
                      were early bird; etc.]).</div>
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                      style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">That said,
                      the numbers by themselves don't tell the entire
                      story as there is a whole lot of context that
                      matters greatly. Stuff like:</div>
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                        <li style="" class=""><font class=""
                            face="tahoma, sans-serif">Organizers do not
                            know how the numbers will fully add up until
                            a good bit after the conference. Indeed,
                            there are both trailing expenses to pay, and
                            revenue to collect (some of which are
                            dependent on the actual attendance you
                            achieve). And, some accounting/spreadsheet
                            work to do by already tired volunteers.</font></li>
                        <li style="" class=""><font class=""
                            face="tahoma, sans-serif">Conference
                            registrations are slow to pour in. So while
                            Boston ultimately harvested a sizable
                            surplus, we did not know until <i class="">2
                              weeks </i>before the conference that we
                            had achieved our break-even number. If we
                            knew what our final attendance would be in
                            advance we would have surely lowered our
                            prices and/or better funded the travel grant
                            program. But we, nor any other organizer,
                            has that luxury. We are pleased that some of
                            our surplus is going to support the Dar es
                            Salaam conference through OSGeo <i class="">paying</i> for
                            sponsorship for that event.</font></li>
                        <li style="" class=""><font class=""
                            face="tahoma, sans-serif">Decisions that
                            organizers make greatly impact the finances.
                            Things ranging from providing day care, to
                            giving all speakers a free pass, to the
                            location of the host city, greatly impact
                            costs/revenues while serving other important
                            objectives.  </font></li>
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                      <div class=""><font class="" face="tahoma,
                          sans-serif">Indeed, it is an imperfect science
                          and the Boston team was petrified by our
                          finances up until that "break even" moment 2
                          weeks before the conference started. But it is
                          also the imperfectness of this science that
                          makes "opening the books" so important as all
                          future conferences can learn from both past
                          triumphs and mistakes. I would never look
                          askance at a set of numbers that told a sadder
                          story than Boston's (unless there was abject
                          corruption, or something like that). Running a
                          conference is hard and in all of the FOSS4G
                          and FOSS4GNA conferences I've volunteered on
                          (which now numbers 5, and includes STL) I have
                          never doubted than anyone acted in a way other
                          than to deliver the best possible conference
                          at the lowest possible cost. I also don't
                          expect that everyone would make the same
                          choices that we did in Boston. Indeed, the
                          Chair and his/her LOC make the choices they
                          feel will lead to the best/most successful
                          conference. Second guessing is a natural
                          impulse, but it easier to do than running the
                          conference. And, from my vantage, open books
                          are important as they serve to help explain
                          the choices that were made, and the financial
                          impact of those choices.</font></div>
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                      <div class=""><font class="" face="tahoma,
                          sans-serif">Sincerely,</font></div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 1:18
                      PM Sara <<a href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true" class="">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>>
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                        <div class="">Hi folks,</div>
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                        <div class="">Some of you may be aware that for
                          the past ~5 weeks, I have periodically renewed
                          a public request [0] for FOSS4G-NA 2018's
                          financial records. </div>
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                        </div>
                        <div class="">Yesterday, Marc Vloemans, speaking
                          on behalf of LocationTech, said that I was
                          "misrepresenting" this issue [1]. That's
                          certainly not my intent, so I'd like to
                          clarify the basis for my ongoing request in
                          longform, and renew said request in this
                          forum.</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div class="">- On May 4, 2018, a LocationTech
                          representative stated publicly that
                          FOSS4G-NA's "financials are open, have always
                          been" [2]</div>
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                        </div>
                        <div class="">- Later the same day, the same
                          representative said that they were "working on
                          posting all our materials to the wiki
                          (...) Expect those late this week" [3]</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div class="">- Those statements now appear to
                          be contradicted by the recent comment [1] that
                          "there is no obligation" of LocationTech to
                          share FOSS4G-NA financials</div>
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                        <div class="">My ongoing requests have thus far
                          been an attempt to continue the conversation
                          that originally took place on twitter on May
                          4th. As Marc said last night that he does not
                          "communicate with people via twitter" [1], I'm
                          more than happy to continue the public
                          conversation with him or any relevant
                          representative(s) here. </div>
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                        </div>
                        <div class="">[0a] <a
                            href="https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1006304174332661760"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="">https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1006304174332661760</a></div>
                        <div class="">[0b] <a
                            href="https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1001543441053114368"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="">https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1001543441053114368</a></div>
                        <div class="">[0c] <a
                            href="https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/994930635096641536"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="">https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/994930635096641536</a></div>
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                          <div class="">[1] <a
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                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="">https://i.imgur.com/NlbXb4t.png</a></div>
                          <div class="">[2] <a
                              href="https://twitter.com/TheaClay/status/992394814749577217"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="">https://twitter.com/TheaClay/status/992394814749577217</a></div>
                          <div class="">[3] <a
                              href="https://twitter.com/TheaClay/status/993584128279957504"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="">https://twitter.com/TheaClay/status/993584128279957504</a></div>
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                        <div class="">Regards,</div>
                        <div class="">Sara Safavi</div>
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