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<p>+1 from me too for comments and reasoning from the wise people on
this email thread who have spoken before me.<br>
</p>
<p>LocationTech and the Eclipse Foundation have stepped up and
provided a huge amount of generous support, expertise and
professionalism. They provided backing to financially risky FOSS4G
events. During the 2009 financial crisis when I was FOSS4G-global
chair, for a while I was seriously concerned that FOSS4G was going
to be a financial disaster and was going to bankrupt OSGeo. It
would have been nice to have LocationTech helping out back then.<br>
</p>
<p>I'm sure LocationTech now have the message that it would be
valuable to open the books. Maybe they will share something in
their own time. They have no contractual obligations to do so, and
I'm suspecting there are business pressures they face to not open
the books. Let's accept that, and take it as a lesson for future
events. There are always things that we could have done better or
differently and we sometimes forget to acknowledge what we have
done well. <br>
</p>
<p>I'm more concerned that LocationTech has felt that they should
step back from FOSS4G involvement. Are we making it hard and
unwelcoming for a segment of our community to engage with OSGeo
activities?<br>
</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/6/18 2:54 am, michael terner
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAFk2e0J+-V7exZV+4=EeL0wJ-F+h5i4MfEFY0O4pPSy2Bst1Rg@mail.gmail.com">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">+1
Big thanks to Rob for explaining things and providing context.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Also,
a thanks to LT for stepping forward for three FOSS4GNA cycles.
We can all find imperfections that are more, or less important
to us individually, but the fact remains that there were three
<b>great events</b> in North America (2015, 2016 and 2018)
that would not have happened without LocationTech's
involvement. And, as others have said, we <i>can</i> learn
lessons that can be passed on to future conference teams
(e.g., a potential requirement/guideline for post conference
financial reporting).</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">But,
as Marc pointed out it is indeed time to focus on FOSS4GNA <i>2019</i>.
And, it is really important for all of us to realize that with
LT pulling back from "leading" FOSS4GNA, the Core Committee
has its hands full finding a team, a location and a Chair for
that event. I know some possibilities are being explored and
that the new OSGeo US Chapter is now an active participant in
the Core Committee, but those plans need to firm up soon as
there are really only ~11 months to go until that conference
would normally happen.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Let's
learn from this productive, if not painful at times, thread
and move on to FOSS4GNA 2019. This is a great event that has
benefited the North American FOSS4G ecosystem and from my POV
it needs to recur.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">MT</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Paul
Ramsey <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you
Rob, for the clear explanation of the history and current
state.<br>
<br>
Like Stephen I would love to see some major category
reporting, which<br>
is all that prior conferences have provided (this isn't an<br>
invoice-by-invoice audit, it's information suitable for
future<br>
planning) but if LT is unable to produce that for whatever
reason, I<br>
won't light my hair on fire.<br>
<br>
Thanks all,<br>
P.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Rob Emanuele <<a
href="mailto:rdemanuele@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">rdemanuele@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> My understanding of what is happening here is this:
a LocationTech employee<br>
> mis-spoke about the organization's intentions about
reporting financial<br>
> data, which was never a requirement put on the
organization nor the<br>
> intention of the organization. The result has been
a set of valid questions,<br>
> which should be answered clearly.<br>
><br>
> I can confirm that the FOSS4G NA core committee
never required the Eclipse<br>
> Foundation or LocationTech to report financial data
as part of brining them<br>
> on as the logistics organizer.<br>
><br>
> Moving forward, if the community decides that it's
right and fair that the<br>
> organization receiving sponsor money and taking
ticket money for the<br>
> conference report on a specific level of P/L data,
then that requirement can<br>
> be put into place and clearly communicated before
any commitments are made.<br>
> We (the core committee) had asked LocationTech if
it was possible to report<br>
> financial data in past years, and they politely
declined for the reasons<br>
> listed (I believe fairly), and we dropped the
issue. This could represent a<br>
> failing on our part to uphold the ideal of
transparency, and if that is the<br>
> case, then this misunderstanding is on us. One
could argue we should have<br>
> forced the issue, and if LocationTech had not
acquiesced, we should have not<br>
> used them as the LO. I was not of that opinion at
the time and remain that<br>
> way, though I understand and respect why
transparency is important, and<br>
> could very possibly be wrong. However, I believe
LocationTech ran great<br>
> conferences with honest and hard effort, for the
good of the community. I<br>
> appreciate the work they put in, while
simultaneously hoping that the next<br>
> conference committee, LO, and the core committee
can do better in the<br>
> future.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Rob<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Sara <<a
href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Marc:<br>
>><br>
>> Please do not bring my employer into this. That
is threatening behavior,<br>
>> and is incredibly inappropriate for anyone in
this community to engage in.<br>
>><br>
>> The fact that I was Program Chair of FOSS4G-NA
2018 for six months is no<br>
>> secret: among many reasons documented
elsewhere, I found a replacement for<br>
>> myself and stepped down from the role in order
to maintain "separation of<br>
>> church & state", as it were, when I felt it
was no longer tenable to<br>
>> represent both my employer and FOSS4G-NA at the
same time (this directly<br>
>> followed you asking Sara-the-Program-Chair to
"wiggle a platinum sponsorship<br>
>> from" her employer).<br>
>><br>
>> Come on, folks. I'm not trying to make
unreasonable demands. I'm not<br>
>> trying to launch any missiles. I'm just trying
to continue a conversation<br>
>> that LocationTech staff started on May 4.
Personal attacks on me and<br>
>> dismissing this as a "non-discussion" aren't
constructive.<br>
>><br>
>> --Sara<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Marc Vloemans
<<a href="mailto:marcvloemans1@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">marcvloemans1@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> After so many tweets, posts, blogs etc. I
feel a formal response is<br>
>>> needed.<br>
>>><br>
>>> LocationTech - as part of a longstanding
agreement with the Core<br>
>>> Committee of Foss4g NA - has acted as the
contractor/producer of this<br>
>>> conference.<br>
>>> This entailed that all pre-conference
investments and financial risks<br>
>>> were off the shoulders of OSGeo.org.
Regional conferences like this one<br>
>>> elsewhere in the world are taken on by
local/regional chapters. But until<br>
>>> some weeks ago there was no such chapter in
North America. Therefor this<br>
>>> special construct.<br>
>>> LocationTech has informed the Core
Committee before “St Louis” that we<br>
>>> would not be able to continue this
arrangement as the financial and human<br>
>>> resources were beyond its means.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The demands made by Sara Safavi to give
insight into the books are not<br>
>>> appropriate. Comparable to a customer
asking her employer (Planet Labs) to<br>
>>> open their books to a customer. Since
FOSS4G NA mostly relied on<br>
>>> professional staff (instead of volunteers
like in “Boston” and Companies<br>
>>> sponsoring their employee’s time) this
would give third parties indirect<br>
>>> information re salaries etc.<br>
>>> And I will not do that. Ever. Especially if
persons try to force my hand,<br>
>>> when they have no legal, moral or other
right to this type of personal<br>
>>> information.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Furthermore, I would like to emphasise that
Sara has been Program Chair<br>
>>> of FOSS4G NA 2018 until the deadline for
the CfP. She has been aware of this<br>
>>> arrangement from the beginning....<br>
>>><br>
>>> On another note; this non-discussion is
damaging the Core Committee, the<br>
>>> FOSS4G NA and overall brands at large and
OSGeo (both .org and US). And the<br>
>>> great working relationship between OSGeo
and LocationTech. But furthermore,<br>
>>> it makes our community a place where those
who put in actual work and energy<br>
>>> are subjected to harassment. With the
silent approval of the majority.....<br>
>>> If we want to keep present/attract future
volunteers, partners,<br>
>>> supporters and sponsors we need to put a
stop to this type of behaviour.<br>
>>> Right here and now. Otherwise we dig our
collective grave.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If the majority keeps their silence then
OSGeo has become a very toxic<br>
>>> place, indeed!<br>
>>><br>
>>> (And I still wonder whether the demands
represent Planet Labs’ (who was a<br>
>>> welcome and respected sponsor of this
year’s FOSS4G NA) opinion or not<br>
>>> .....)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hope this gives background and puts an end
to this non-discussion.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>> Marc<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > -------- Original Message --------<br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G-NA --
request for financial records<br>
>>> > Date: 2018-06-14 14:23<br>
>>> > From: Sara <<a
href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>><br>
>>> > To: Cameron Shorter <<a
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> > Cc: michael terner <<a
href="mailto:ternergeo@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ternergeo@gmail.com</a>>,<br>
>>> > <a
href="mailto:foss4gna_selection@googlegroups.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">foss4gna_selection@<wbr>googlegroups.com</a>,
Conference Dev<br>
>>> > <<a
href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.<wbr>org</a>><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Hi Cameron, all:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Sure, happy to explain further: my
request is for information that<br>
>>> > LocationTech already stated publicly
was "open", "has always been", and<br>
>>> > would be posted to OSGeo's wiki -- to
actually be made open and posted<br>
>>> > to the wiki. If LocationTech either
misspoke, lied, or changed their<br>
>>> > mind on that then as a community
member/volunteer/sponsor I would like<br>
>>> > to know why. I'm not alone in this,
either: I'm just today's squeaky<br>
>>> > wheel. :)<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > As Steven said:<br>
>>> >> I would not expect preparing a
schedule of income and expenditure for<br>
>>> > a conference to be a lot of effort.
The organising team or their PCO<br>
>>> > must maintain some schedules to record
income and expenditure.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > I'm not expecting miracles, but as a
community centered around<br>
>>> > transparency and openness it seems
unusual to not have at least some<br>
>>> > insight into one of our larger event's
basic financial records. As Mike<br>
>>> > & Steven both point out, though
not a requirement this is a<br>
>>> > longstanding<br>
>>> > community norm for many FOSS4G events.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Considering the past conversations
we've all seen on the distro lists<br>
>>> > re: this working group/LOC
specifically and transparency, I'm surprised<br>
>>> > that one now needs to provide "a
worthy motivation" to even pose the<br>
>>> > question. Meanwhile off-list I'm
getting private messages telling me to<br>
>>> > "just let this go". Did I miss a memo
or something?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:44 PM,
Cameron Shorter<br>
>>> > <<a
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >> Sara,<br>
>>> >> I'd suggest it might be helpful to
explain why you are requesting<br>
>>> >> people open the books. Providing a
worthy motivation will likely help<br>
>>> >> inspire a volunteer to help you.<br>
>>> >> There is typically quite a bit of
volunteer effort required to pull<br>
>>> >> together past data into a usable
format. Quite often it requires data<br>
>>> >> to be de-personalised for public
consumption. Maybe you can say<br>
>>> >> something along the lines of "if
you release the metrics, then I will<br>
>>> >> be able to add value to the osgeo
community to help ..."<br>
>>> >> On 14/6/18 8:20 am, michael terner
wrote:<br>
>>> >> Sara:<br>
>>> >> I fully support the notion of
"open books" and the Boston Team has<br>
>>> >> endeavored to do that. Indeed,
when asking volunteers to do so much in<br>
>>> >> this ecosystem it is important to
have openness around the finances.<br>
>>> >> This tweet from Matthew Hanson had
a picture of the "raw" (and<br>
>>> >> rounded) Boston numbers that I
presented in a talk at FOSS4GNA in STL:<br>
>>> >> <a
href="https://twitter.com/GeoSkeptic/status/996147340854652928"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/<wbr>GeoSkeptic/status/<wbr>996147340854652928</a>
[2]<br>
>>> >> There's one other slide in that
deck that showed the net results<br>
>>> >> (i.e., surplus) and I would be
happy to share the entire deck with<br>
>>> >> this list if useful. Just ask.
(And, we have lots of other more<br>
>>> >> granular data if there are other,
specific questions [e.g., speaker<br>
>>> >> fees; # of people who were early
bird; etc.]).<br>
>>> >> That said, the numbers by
themselves don't tell the entire story as<br>
>>> >> there is a whole lot of context
that matters greatly. Stuff like:<br>
>>> >> * Organizers do not know how the
numbers will fully add up until a<br>
>>> >> good bit after the conference.
Indeed, there are both trailing<br>
>>> >> expenses to pay, and revenue to
collect (some of which are dependent<br>
>>> >> on the actual attendance you
achieve). And, some<br>
>>> >> accounting/spreadsheet work to do
by already tired volunteers.<br>
>>> >> * Conference registrations are
slow to pour in. So while Boston<br>
>>> >> ultimately harvested a sizable
surplus, we did not know until _2 weeks<br>
>>> >> _before the conference that we had
achieved our break-even number. If<br>
>>> >> we knew what our final attendance
would be in advance we would have<br>
>>> >> surely lowered our prices and/or
better funded the travel grant<br>
>>> >> program. But we, nor any other
organizer, has that luxury. We are<br>
>>> >> pleased that some of our surplus
is going to support the Dar es Salaam<br>
>>> >> conference through OSGeo _paying_
for sponsorship for that event.<br>
>>> >> * Decisions that organizers make
greatly impact the finances. Things<br>
>>><br>
>>> >> ranging from providing day care,
to giving all speakers a free pass,<br>
>>> >> to the location of the host city,
greatly impact costs/revenues while<br>
>>> >> serving other important
objectives.<br>
>>> >> Indeed, it is an imperfect science
and the Boston team was petrified<br>
>>> >> by our finances up until that
"break even" moment 2 weeks before the<br>
>>> >> conference started. But it is also
the imperfectness of this science<br>
>>> >> that makes "opening the books" so
important as all future conferences<br>
>>> >> can learn from both past triumphs
and mistakes. I would never look<br>
>>> >> askance at a set of numbers that
told a sadder story than Boston's<br>
>>> >> (unless there was abject
corruption, or something like that). Running<br>
>>> >> a conference is hard and in all of
the FOSS4G and FOSS4GNA conferences<br>
>>> >> I've volunteered on (which now
numbers 5, and includes STL) I have<br>
>>> >> never doubted than anyone acted in
a way other than to deliver the<br>
>>> >> best possible conference at the
lowest possible cost. I also don't<br>
>>> >> expect that everyone would make
the same choices that we did in<br>
>>> >> Boston. Indeed, the Chair and
his/her LOC make the choices they feel<br>
>>> >> will lead to the best/most
successful conference. Second guessing is a<br>
>>> >> natural impulse, but it easier to
do than running the conference. And,<br>
>>> >> from my vantage, open books are
important as they serve to help<br>
>>> >> explain the choices that were
made, and the financial impact of those<br>
>>> >> choices.<br>
>>> >> Sincerely,<br>
>>> >> MT<br>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 1:18 PM
Sara <<a href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> >> Hi folks,<br>
>>> >> Some of you may be aware that for
the past ~5 weeks, I have<br>
>>> >> periodically renewed a public
request [0] for FOSS4G-NA 2018's<br>
>>> >> financial records.<br>
>>> >> Yesterday, Marc Vloemans, speaking
on behalf of LocationTech, said<br>
>>> >> that I was "misrepresenting" this
issue [1]. That's certainly not my<br>
>>> >> intent, so I'd like to clarify the
basis for my ongoing request in<br>
>>> >> longform, and renew said request
in this forum.<br>
>>> >> - On May 4, 2018, a LocationTech
representative stated publicly that<br>
>>> >> FOSS4G-NA's "financials are open,
have always been" [2]<br>
>>> >> - Later the same day, the same
representative said that they were<br>
>>> >> "working on posting all our
materials to the wiki (...) Expect those<br>
>>> >> late this week" [3]<br>
>>> >> - Those statements now appear to
be contradicted by the recent comment<br>
>>> >> [1] that "there is no obligation"
of LocationTech to share FOSS4G-NA<br>
>>> >> financials<br>
>>> >> My ongoing requests have thus far
been an attempt to continue the<br>
>>> >> conversation that originally took
place on twitter on May 4th. As Marc<br>
>>> >> said last night that he does not
"communicate with people via twitter"<br>
>>> >> [1], I'm more than happy to
continue the public conversation with him<br>
>>> >> or any relevant representative(s)
here.<br>
>>> >> [0a] <a
href="https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1006304174332661760"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/<wbr>sarasomewhere/status/<wbr>1006304174332661760</a>
[3]<br>
>>> >> [0b] <a
href="https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/1001543441053114368"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/<wbr>sarasomewhere/status/<wbr>1001543441053114368</a>
[4]<br>
>>> >> [0c] <a
href="https://twitter.com/sarasomewhere/status/994930635096641536"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/<wbr>sarasomewhere/status/<wbr>994930635096641536</a>
[5]<br>
>>> >> [1] <a
href="https://i.imgur.com/NlbXb4t.png"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://i.imgur.com/NlbXb4t.<wbr>png</a>
[6]<br>
>>> >> [2] <a
href="https://twitter.com/TheaClay/status/992394814749577217"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/TheaClay/<wbr>status/992394814749577217</a>
[7]<br>
>>> >> [3] <a
href="https://twitter.com/TheaClay/status/993584128279957504"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/TheaClay/<wbr>status/993584128279957504</a>
[8]<br>
>>> >> Regards,<br>
>>> >> Sara Safavi
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[1]<br>
>>> >> --<br>
>>> >> Michael Terner<br>
>>> >> <a
href="mailto:ternergeo@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ternergeo@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> >> (M) 978-631-6602<br>
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