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<p>@Maxi,</p>
<p>I see another quite important point regarding the restricted
votes:</p>
<p>I regard the voting members of CC as independent, as they already
ran a conference, there should be no personal things that
influence them in their vote.</p>
<p>Also, I can second Camerons opinion from my experience (having
run one FOSS4G and several regional F4G-events): Yes, there is a
*big* difference and for a global conference there are really many
things to consder.<br>
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<p>Thanks to Cameron for the perfect summary, <br>
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<p>Till<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.10.2018 um 21:48 schrieb Cameron
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<p>Maxi,</p>
<p>I feel like the questions below have been covered in detail in
prior debates on this list, and in responding I'm just restating
opinions made before.</p>
<p>I'm responding now to acknowledge that I've heard you, and
while I respect the importance of being able to share one's
views, I feel we don't want to spend all our time debating one
topic and not moving onto more productive things.</p>
<p>Summarising prior points on this topic:</p>
<p>* The large conferences are financially risky for OSGeo and
have failed in the past (FOSS4G Beijing was cancelled)</p>
<p>* Large conferences have many factors to consider in order to
become successful</p>
<p>* They require significant work from the local organising
committee</p>
<p>* OSGeo should aim to use trustworthy people, with both the
experience and time commitment, to make decisions about
selection of a conference venue. Typically such people have
already spent time running a large conference.</p>
<p>* To your point of presentation selection, selecting
presentations is less risky and drawing upon the wisdom of
crowds is a more effective way of getting a depth of opinion
from our community. Hence, for the last decade or so, we have
adopted what I consider to be an effective community voting
process for presentations.</p>
<p>Maxi, I acknowledge that my response probably doesn't align
with your opinions. But I'm hoping that we can agree to
disagree, and in this case defer to the majority opinion from
our current conference committee.</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/10/18 5:31 am, massimiliano
cannata wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Conference committee,</div>
<div>after the selection, I pose here some issues I see in
the conference committee and process. </div>
<div>I hope to open a constructive discussion toward an
always better FOSS4G.</div>
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<div>First, I don't understand why the selection of the
FOSS4G hosting team is restricted to "selected"
members only.</div>
<div>Conversely, the selection of the presentations is
open to everyone. Why to select a team it is required,
"generally", to be considered an expert in organizing
big events (what is big and what event is still to be
defined well..) while for selecting which topics are
interesting and innovative this expertise is not
required and anyone con vote?</div>
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<div>I also add that I think is very inappropriate to
accept presentation with "literally" an abstract of
two sentences to participate in the </div>
<div>conference? The votes are then obviously based on
"brotherhood" and not on specific contents. For
example, why "sponsored" presentations are not marked
as sponsored? Google does it when you do your searches
;-)</div>
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<div>Finally, I wonder at how many "big" events the
voting members participate every year. Do they go
around to see what other do, or is enough organizing
a conference 10 years ago to be considered at the
state of the art in conference matters? </div>
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<div>my 5 cents</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Maxi</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Il giorno lun 15 ott 2018 alle ore 23:57
Cameron Shorter <<a
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> OSGeo Conference
committee,<br>
I'm forwarding this email onto the conference committee's
public list to ensure transparency. It was sent to the
following voting members of the conference committee:<br>
Eli Adam<br>
Till Adams<br>
Peter Batty<br>
David Bitner<br>
Maria Brovelli<br>
Vasile Craciunescu<br>
David Fawcett<br>
Steven Feldman<br>
Gavin Fleming<br>
Darrell Fuhriman<br>
Claude Philipona<br>
Venkatesh Raghavan<br>
Paul Ramsey<br>
Sanghee Shin<br>
Guido Stein<br>
Michael Terner<br>
Msilikale Msilanga<br>
Mark Iliffle<br>
<br>
If you have not received this email, and think that you
should, please publicly speak up before the deadline.<br>
I've been responding to people as they send their votes
in. If you don't receive a response, then feel free to
chase me.<br>
So far, we've received votes from:<br>
Eli Adam<br>
Maria Brovelli<br>
Steven Feldman<br>
Gavin Fleming<br>
Venkatesh Raghavan<br>
Paul Ramsey<br>
Guido Stein<br>
Michael Terner<br>
Mark Iliffle<br>
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Cheers, Cameron (acting as one of the FOSS4G 2020 CROs)<br>
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13/10/2018 1:32 AM, Till Adams wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear Voting Members of OSGeo's Conference Committee,</p>
<p>I know, it's still some time left today, but as I am
on my way back from Barcelona home tomorow, I herewith
send out the call on voting on the three phantastic
LoI's for hosting FOSS4G 2020, that we received. Due
to our timetable in [1] the voting period on the LoI's
lasts from 13th to 18th of October (last possible
time).</p>
<p>So please send your votes to:</p>
<p>Arnulf Christl</p>
<p>and<br>
</p>
<p>Cameron Shorter</p>
<p>The voting mechanism for stage 1 is as follows:
Please vote on <b>every single</b> LoI with one thumb
up / thumb down each and send your *three* votes to
the two guys mentioned above - no of the mails to me,
neither CC, nor BCC. <br>
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<p>Your Email can look as follows:</p>
<p>Halifax +1</p>
<p>Calgary +1</p>
<p>Niagara Falls +1</p>
<p>(Of course only in case, that you vote *thumbs up*
for all tree ;-). BTW: A vote against can be a "-1"
and this is not comparable with the "-1" we know from
OSgeo discussions, because here it does not require
any reason and/or alternative, it just means "thumb
down".... )<br>
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<p>Please find all relevant information on the WIKI [1].
The teams that receive more +1's than -1's LoI's will
pass stage 1. </p>
<p>I hope, that ALL of us will send their voting emails
to Arnulf and Cameron before the last possibe time on
18th of October 2018 passed - as said, we need a
strong quorum, especially when there are three teams
from one country bidding for the same conference.</p>
<p>Regards, Till<br>
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<p>[1] <a
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href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2020_Bid_Process"
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<pre>Dear Voting members of OSGeo's conference committee!
This is just a reminder to be prepared to vote on the LoI's on the RfP 2020.
Please take your time to review the LoI's [1], aks qwuestions on the
conference committee list until 12th of October and then please vote
until 18th of October. I just asked two potential CRO's to assist us for
the voting process, I will send their email-adresses in a seperate email
once they agreed.
Please remember that choosing the location of future FOSS4G's is your
only duty in the conference committee and remember that it is important
to have the opinion of as many of you as possible so that we can choose
the best location for FOSS4G 2020.
If you now already know, that you will not be able to rate & vote,
please drop me a note ASAP. After the RfP I will ask the members, that
did not vote, whether they want to remain as voting members or not.
Regards, Till
[1] <a class="m_-207495819538747441moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2020_Bid_Process" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2020_Bid_Process</a>
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