<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks all for your responses.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">With your responses I consider my questions as solved.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> From my part there is no more comments on this mail thread .<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And again, I say</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Congratulations Calgary!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Vicky<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:09 AM Steven Feldman <<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Vicky<div><br></div><div>I am not going to say how I voted or to feedback on any specifics of either bid. However in response to your request I will share my methodology over the last 6 years of being one of the selection committee for FOSS4G (gosh it has been a long time doing this).</div><div><br></div><div><ol class="gmail-m_6301409788367575918MailOutline"><li>I re-read the RfP to remind myself of the criteria that the CC has set for selection (each year we review the RfP docs and they evolve based on the community input)</li><li>I then sit down and read through all of the proposals, making notes as I go on things that may not be clear, may be an area of concern, things that excite me</li><li>I then pause to reflect on whether any of the proposals have “deal breakers” or similar. Assuming there aren’t I then go through the budgets with a fine tooth comb. I am a numbers guy and I am very aware of the importance of the surplus from FOSS4G to the overall finances of OSGeo and our ability to fund future activities.</li><li>Now I can draft and post a list of questions to each bid team (checking that all teams have provided answers to each question in their proposals)</li><li>I review the responses to my questions and those of other CC members.</li><li>At this point I may have a clear favourite, if not I will draw up some kind of matrix and try and do a side by side comparison.</li><li>I make a decision, I sit on it for a day or two, I vote.</li></ol><div><br></div><div>What does that tell you about how I reach a decision? Not a lot! The reason being that my decision is influenced by a myriad of small factors, a view on the vision and and team behind a proposal, a sense of responsibility with regard to the financial impact on OSGeo and also my own experience of organising several large conferences, a FOSS4G and a couple of UK events. And those are just my criteria, 13 people voted in this selection process and not all of them will have been focussed on the same priorities as me.</div><div><br></div><div>If you are thinking of bidding for a global FOSS4G in Mexico in the future, my advice would be to approach one or two past chairs who have been selectors and ask them to advise/coach you in how to present the best possible proposal.</div><div><br></div><div>Seasons greetings</div><div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Vicky,</p><p>it is agreed, that the final results will not be published.
That's also the reason for having two independent CRO's - they
count the votes and then send the name of the winning team to the
Chair of the Conference committee.</p><p>This practice has worked well in the past and as long as I am
involved, we did not have the situation, that there was a
discussion after the final vote. Both, winning and not winning
teams accepted the vote by the conference committee and
personnally I do not understand, what the reason is in not doing
so. <br>
</p><p>I know, that there was a tough decision made in 2014, but there
was a tie in the CC decision. And obviously we did not have a tie
in this year.<br>
</p><p>We can always get better and re-think our selection process for
the future (thanks to Eli for his thoughts!), but starting a
discussion on a voting procedure, that has already been done,
feels a little like having a "Gschmäckle" ("taste") as we say in
Germany. <br>
</p><p>The whole decision procedure was clear before the Rfp process
started. As I understand it: By handing in a LoI and a proposal
the teams agree on this procedure. <br>
</p><p>As already said, for me it's time to congratulate the winning
team and care for having again a great event in 2020.</p><p>Till<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I wasnt
subscribed to the list, so when you clicked the reply to
all, the Conference-dev mailing list was omitted</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I just
subscribed and sent my request to the Conference Committee
members <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So I am
sending forwarding to the Conference Dev list, in order to
keep mail history complete.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:06 PM Paul Ramsey
<<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca" target="_blank">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">I think the word I was actually reaching for
was "debrief". After an RFP or a job interview it's
expected that the candidates have an opportunity to ask
for a debrief to understand what is going on.
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<div>I didn't vote, but if I had I would have voted for
Calgary. As Eli noted there were no major show-stoppers
on either side, both locations could have hosted
successfully, based on the submitted bids, so it came
down to relatively small things. </div>
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<div>- Calgary is better connected internationally, and in
North America, with more direct flights, cheaper
flights, to more destinations</div>
<div>- Calgary arrived with more sponsorship dollars
already "in hand", so had a lower risk profile</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM Vicky
Vergara <<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello
Conference Committee members:</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">On
recommendation of Paul Ramsey, and using his
terminology<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As
member of the Halifax team: <br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I
would like to make a "post-mortem" public request
of:</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Clarifying
the details of the results of the second phase.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Based
on the details of that result I would make or no
make a "post-mortem" confidential request for
feedback<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Consider
that:<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From
my point of view, 12-1 7-6 make a huge difference</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As
some results like 12-1 for me means: that we,
Halifax team, did something really wrong (Would make
the "post-mortem" confidential request).<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As
other results like 7-6 , for me means: that we,
Halifax team, did a very good job, and the decision
was tough.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Vicky
(member of the Halifax team)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:22 AM Paul
Ramsey <<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca" target="_blank">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">I don't think the numbers, whether
12-1 or 7-6 will be particularly explanatory. If
you want a post-mortem to apply to future bids I'd
suggest approaching committee members on a
confidential basis for their feedback on their
personal decision process... I imagine a pattern
would emerge (I hope a pattern would emerge!)
after a few conversations.
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Vasile Craciunescu <<a href="mailto:vasile@geo-spatial.org" target="_blank">vasile@geo-spatial.org</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Well, traditionally, the results
are not made public, only the winner is
disclosed.
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ah,
how much more? 12-1 still worries me<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at
9:20 AM Vasile Craciunescu <<a href="mailto:vasile@geo-spatial.org" target="_blank">vasile@geo-spatial.org</a>>
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<div>The total number of votes is
13. Not all of them went to
Calgary. They just got more
votes than Halifax. </div>
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<div>Congratulations to both teams
for the impressing proposals.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Vasile<br>
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On 18 Dec 2018, at 17:01,
Vicky Vergara <<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">This
is Vicky from Halifax
team.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Congratulations
Calgary for the
impressive win of 13
votes.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-December/005017.html" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-December/005017.html</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I
wonder if someone can
give some feed back on
what we did so, so so
wrong that we didn't
get any vote?</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Vicky<br>
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18, 2018 at 8:34 AM
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<<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com" target="_blank">delawen@gmail.com</a>>
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at 2:12 PM michael
terner <<a href="mailto:ternergeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">ternergeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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and accurate
response.<br>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Indeed,
it was a fair
and open
process, with
only the vote
being
non-public but
supervised by
two respected
CROs. As
observed by
Til, the one
"issue" that
arose on the
recusal was
addressed on
the public
Conference Dev
mailing list.
Actually, the
only thing
that is not
open is the
origin of the
phrase used in
Maria's first
email today: "<span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font color="#741b47">there
has been some
concerns
raised.</font>"
Where are
these
"concerns"
coming from?
When were they
raised? Are
they limited
to the
"recusal
issue" from
Venka? If not,
what are the
additional
concerns?</span></div>
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<div>No, no
additional
concerns. Just the
one made on the
conference dev
mailing list.<br>
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