<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Vicky<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am not going to say how I voted or to feedback on any specifics of either bid. However in response to your request I will share my methodology over the last 6 years of being one of the selection committee for FOSS4G (gosh it has been a long time doing this).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ol class="MailOutline"><li class="">I re-read the RfP to remind myself of the criteria that the CC has set for selection (each year we review the RfP docs and they evolve based on the community input)</li><li class="">I then sit down and read through all of the proposals, making notes as I go on things that may not be clear, may be an area of concern, things that excite me</li><li class="">I then pause to reflect on whether any of the proposals have “deal breakers” or similar. Assuming there aren’t I then go through the budgets with a fine tooth comb. I am a numbers guy and I am very aware of the importance of the surplus from FOSS4G to the overall finances of OSGeo and our ability to fund future activities.</li><li class="">Now I can draft and post a list of questions to each bid team (checking that all teams have provided answers to each question in their proposals)</li><li class="">I review the responses to my questions and those of other CC members.</li><li class="">At this point I may have a clear favourite, if not I will draw up some kind of matrix and try and do a side by side comparison.</li><li class="">I make a decision, I sit on it for a day or two, I vote.</li></ol><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What does that tell you about how I reach a decision? Not a lot! The reason being that my decision is influenced by a myriad of small factors, a view on the vision and and team behind a proposal, a sense of responsibility with regard to the financial impact on OSGeo and also my own experience of organising several large conferences, a FOSS4G and a couple of UK events. And those are just my criteria, 13 people voted in this selection process and not all of them will have been focussed on the same priorities as me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you are thinking of bidding for a global FOSS4G in Mexico in the future, my advice would be to approach one or two past chairs who have been selectors and ask them to advise/coach you in how to present the best possible proposal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seasons greetings</div><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Dec 2018, at 07:23, Till Adams <<a href="mailto:till.adams@fossgis.de" class="">till.adams@fossgis.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><p class="">Vicky,</p><p class="">it is agreed, that the final results will not be published.
      That's also the reason for having two independent CRO's - they
      count the votes and then send the name of the winning team to the
      Chair of the Conference committee.</p><p class="">This practice has worked well in the past and as long as I am
      involved, we did not have the situation, that there was a
      discussion after the final vote. Both, winning and not winning
      teams accepted the vote by the conference committee and
      personnally I do not understand, what the reason is in not doing
      so. <br class="">
    </p><p class="">I know, that there was a tough decision made in 2014, but there
      was a tie in the CC decision. And obviously we did not have a tie
      in this year.<br class="">
    </p><p class="">We can always get better and re-think our selection process for
      the future (thanks to Eli for his thoughts!), but starting a
      discussion on a voting procedure, that has already been done,
      feels a little like having a "Gschmäckle" ("taste") as we say in
      Germany. <br class="">
    </p><p class="">The whole decision procedure was clear before the Rfp process
      started. As I understand it: By handing in a LoI and a proposal
      the teams agree on this procedure. <br class="">
    </p><p class="">As already said, for me it's time to congratulate the winning
      team and care for having again a great event in 2020.</p><p class="">Till<br class="">
    </p><p class=""><br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.12.18 um 20:15 schrieb Vicky
      Vergara:<br class="">
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi Paul,<br class="">
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I wasnt
            subscribed to the list, so when you clicked the reply to
            all, the Conference-dev mailing list was omitted</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I just
            subscribed and sent my request to the Conference Committee
            members <br class="">
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So I am
            sending forwarding to the Conference Dev list, in order to
            keep mail history complete.</div>
          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class="">
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards<br class="">
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        <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Vicky</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:06 PM Paul Ramsey
            <<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>>
            wrote:<br class="">
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            <div dir="ltr" class="">I think the word I was actually reaching for
              was "debrief". After an RFP or a job interview it's
              expected that the candidates have an opportunity to ask
              for a debrief to understand what is going on.
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              <div class="">I didn't vote, but if I had I would have voted for
                Calgary. As Eli noted there were no major show-stoppers
                on either side, both locations could have hosted
                successfully, based on the submitted bids, so it came
                down to relatively small things. </div>
              <div class=""><br class="">
              </div>
              <div class="">- Calgary is better connected internationally, and in
                North America, with more direct flights, cheaper
                flights, to more destinations</div>
              <div class="">- Calgary arrived with more sponsorship dollars
                already "in hand", so had a lower risk profile</div>
              <div class=""><br class="">
              </div>
              <div class="">P.</div>
              <div class=""><br class="">
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM Vicky
                Vergara <<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vicky@georepublic.de</a>>
                wrote:<br class="">
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Hello
                    Conference Committee members:</div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">On
                    recommendation of Paul Ramsey, and using his
                    terminology<br class="">
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">As
                    member of the Halifax team: <br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">I
                    would like to make a "post-mortem" public request
                    of:</div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Clarifying
                    the details of the results of the second phase.</div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Based
                    on the details of that result I would make or no
                    make a "post-mortem" confidential request for
                    feedback<br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Consider
                    that:<br class="">
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">From
                    my point of view, 12-1 7-6 make a huge difference</div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">As
                    some results like 12-1 for me means: that we,
                    Halifax team, did something really wrong (Would make
                    the "post-mortem" confidential request).<br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">As
                    other results like 7-6 , for me means: that we,
                    Halifax team, did a very good job, and the decision
                    was tough.</div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Regards</div>
                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Vicky
                    (member of the Halifax team)<br class="">
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br class="">
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:22 AM Paul
                    Ramsey <<a href="mailto:pramsey@cleverelephant.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">pramsey@cleverelephant.ca</a>>
                    wrote:<br class="">
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="">I don't think the numbers, whether
                      12-1 or 7-6 will be particularly explanatory. If
                      you want a post-mortem to apply to future bids I'd
                      suggest approaching committee members on a
                      confidential basis for their feedback on their
                      personal decision process... I imagine a pattern
                      would emerge (I hope a pattern would emerge!)
                      after a few conversations.
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                      <div class="">P.</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:33 AM
                        Vasile Craciunescu <<a href="mailto:vasile@geo-spatial.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vasile@geo-spatial.org</a>>
                        wrote:<br class="">
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                        <div dir="auto" class="">Well, traditionally, the results
                          are not made public, only the winner is
                          disclosed. 
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                          <div class="">Vasile<br class="">
                            <br class="">
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                              On 18 Dec 2018, at 17:25, Vicky Vergara
                              <<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vicky@georepublic.de</a>>
                              wrote:<br class="">
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                                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Ah,
                                    how much more? 12-1 still worries me<br class="">
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at
                                    9:20 AM Vasile Craciunescu <<a href="mailto:vasile@geo-spatial.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vasile@geo-spatial.org</a>>
                                    wrote:<br class="">
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                                    <div dir="auto" class="">Vicky,
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                                      <div class="">The total number of votes is
                                        13. Not all of them went to
                                        Calgary. They just got more
                                        votes than Halifax. </div>
                                      <div class=""><br class="">
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                                      <div class="">Congratulations to both teams
                                        for the impressing proposals.</div>
                                      <div class=""><br class="">
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                                      <div class="">Best,</div>
                                      <div class="">Vasile<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
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                                          On 18 Dec 2018, at 17:01,
                                          Vicky Vergara <<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vicky@georepublic.de</a>>
                                          wrote:<br class="">
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                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Hello
                                                  all</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">This
                                                  is Vicky from Halifax
                                                  team.</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Congratulations
                                                  Calgary for the
                                                  impressive win of 13
                                                  votes.</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-December/005017.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-December/005017.html</a><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">I
                                                  wonder if someone can
                                                  give some feed back on
                                                  what we did so, so so
                                                  wrong that we didn't
                                                  get any vote?</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Regards</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Vicky<br class="">
                                                </div>
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                                              <div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec
                                                18, 2018 at 8:34 AM
                                                María Arias de Reyna
                                                <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">delawen@gmail.com</a>>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">On
                                                      Tue, Dec 18, 2018
                                                      at 2:12 PM michael
                                                      terner <<a href="mailto:ternergeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">ternergeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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                                                          <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="">+1
                                                          on Til's fair
                                                          and accurate
                                                          response.<br class="">
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                                                          <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class="">Indeed,
                                                          it was a fair
                                                          and open
                                                          process, with
                                                          only the vote
                                                          being
                                                          non-public but
                                                          supervised by
                                                          two respected
                                                          CROs. As
                                                          observed by
                                                          Til, the one
                                                          "issue" that
                                                          arose on the
                                                          recusal was
                                                          addressed on
                                                          the public
                                                          Conference Dev
                                                          mailing list.
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                                                          only thing
                                                          that is not
                                                          open is the
                                                          origin of the
                                                          phrase used in
                                                          Maria's first
                                                          email today: "<span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><font color="#741b47" class="">there
                                                          has been some
                                                          concerns
                                                          raised.</font>"
                                                          Where are
                                                          these
                                                          "concerns"
                                                          coming from?
                                                          When were they
                                                          raised? Are
                                                          they limited
                                                          to the
                                                          "recusal
                                                          issue" from
                                                          Venka? If not,
                                                          what are the
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81739 München, Germany

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Operations Research

eMail: vicky@<a href="http://georepublic.de/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">georepublic.de</a>
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81739 München, Germany

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Operations Research

eMail: vicky@<a href="http://georepublic.de/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">georepublic.de</a>
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Operations Research

eMail: vicky@<a href="http://georepublic.de/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">georepublic.de</a>
Web: <a href="https://georepublic.info/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://georepublic.info</a>

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