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<p>I think that Jonathan's comments about the need for transparency
of the selection criteria are valid.</p>
<p>And I think that we have an excellent answer to his question. The
Evaluation Criteria is listed in <a
href="https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/FOSS4G2021-request-for-proposal.pdf">https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/FOSS4G2021-request-for-proposal.pdf</a></p>
<p>The provided criteria are only guidelines, and I don't think we
can realistically create a perfect selection formula. Instead we
need to have a messy selection criteria and trust the judgement of
prior FOSS4G chairs (who I think have earned the title of
trust-worthy based on the amount of prior hard work they have
contributed to a conference.) <br>
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<p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/9/19 10:07 pm, Steven Feldman
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<div class="">I think you are the only person on this list
expressing these concerns.</div>
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<div class="">Of course we all have “personal biases” but however
you try to create a framework for decision making you will
introduce some bias, you just might not be aware of it.</div>
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<div class="">The public calls for questions after submission of
LoIs and again after Full Proposals allow any interested party
(not just the voting members) to question the bidders and to
seek to inform/influence the voting members. The system is not
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<div class="">The system of voting has worked well for a long time
and I see no reason to change it.<br class="">
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<p class="">> from someone who has no idea on what
basis each individual member ultimately decides than a
serious proposal.</p>
<p class="">Which is exactly the point. No-one knows
what the criterion used are, it is a closed system
with absolutely no transparency in the critical voting
phase. Ironic for an organisation whose name starts
with "Open", and the antithesis of the principles
behind Open movements.</p>
<p class="">Or put another way, how do any of us know
that people's votes were not influenced by:</p>
<p class="">* being paid off</p>
<p class="">* being coerced in some fashion<br class="">
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<p class="">* having some grudge / interest</p>
<p class="">etc<br class="">
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<p class="">To be clear, I have no particular reason to
believe any of these things are the case, but given
the closed nature of the system, how do we know?</p>
<p class="">Or less ethically problematic but more
likely given the human mind:<br class="">
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<p class="">* various biases, conscious or otherwise
(diversity related, regional, etc)<br class="">
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<p class="">* Networking effect - "I like who's running
this more"<br class="">
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<p class="">* preferred holiday destination</p>
<p class="">etc, etc.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-09-11 07:31, Till
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear Jonathan,
looking at the linked WIKI-page - honestly I do not see many points to
be added to the RfP here.
The proposal to change the voting procedure (presumably) you proposed
are difficult to implement.
Especially as the phrase "members vote for their favourite next holiday
destination" honestly seems more like an accusation
from someone who has no idea on what basis each individual member
ultimately decides than a serious proposal.
I would favour to have a further discussion on this, if you see really
an issue here, I don't.
Till
Am 06.09.19 um 15:32 schrieb Jonathan Moules:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Till,
Back in July you asked for feedback on the RFP process for 2021 to be
put here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Changes_in_RfP_Document_for_2021" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Changes_in_RfP_Document_for_2021</a>
I've not seen anything further on this and the suggestions listed
(Disclosure: Yes, they're mine) don't appear in the docs.
I'm guess this was an oversight or did I miss a thread?
Cheers,
Jonathan
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear Community,
just passed and survived the last FOSS4G in Bucharest, the community is
looking forward for the next global FOSS4G conferences. We, OSGeo's
Conference Committee, are happy to announce the call for location for
the
"Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial Conference 2021"
to be held in "other regions". Precisely this means that the conference
can be anywhere on the world, except Europe and North America. Only in
case that we do not receive any appropriate bid from these parts of the
world, we will consider to accept bids from Europe or North America.
Summer holidays are over, no reason not to start your work, grab some
people together, build a team, have fun and work out your bid! 2021 is
right around the corner and be proud to get all the FOSS4G folks to your
country, to your city, to your pub and introduce them to your local
environment!
Please find all details on [1] and more background information on [2].
In case that you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask the
conference committee or your barkeeper ;-)!
Have fun!
Till, on behalf of OSGeo's Conference committee
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