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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Dec 2019, at 12:49, Jonathan Moules <<a href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com" class="">jonathan-lists@lightpear.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country<br class=""><br class="">While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper (Bucharest).<br class=""><br class="">I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than competing both groups could create a single merged event split across two venues somehow.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi Eli,<br class=""><br class="">I completely agree.<br class=""><br class="">However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.<br class="">As per the website this morning he says:<br class=""><br class="">"2019-12-03: Hello again world! We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 ! The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not. Watch this space for more updates. Thank you for all of the support!"<br class=""><br class="">Another pop-up box indicates that<br class="">"2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"<br class=""><br class="">The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Jon<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Eli Adam <<a href="mailto:eadam@co.lincoln.or.us" class="">eadam@co.lincoln.or.us</a>><br class="">Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM<br class="">To: Karine Jean <<a href="mailto:karine@geomatiqc.com" class="">karine@geomatiqc.com</a>><br class="">Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <<a href="mailto:jneufeld@tecterra.com" class="">jneufeld@tecterra.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:info@gatewaygeomatics.com" class="">info@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>; <a href="mailto:jmckenna@osgeo.org" class="">jmckenna@osgeo.org</a>; Conference Dev <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; osgeo-board List <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" class="">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:chair@foss4g.ca" class="">chair@foss4g.ca</a>; <a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com" class="">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion<br class=""><br class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority. OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally. I agree that it should be addressed soon.<br class=""><br class="">Best regards, Eli<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <<a href="mailto:karine@geomatiqc.com" class="">karine@geomatiqc.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi All,<br class=""><br class="">Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the <a href="http://foss4g.ca" class="">foss4g.ca</a> website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the <a href="http://foss4g.ca" class="">foss4g.ca</a> site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.<br class=""><br class="">Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.<br class=""><br class="">Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.<br class=""><br class="">Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Karine<br class=""><br class="">Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <<a href="mailto:jneufeld@tecterra.com" class="">jneufeld@tecterra.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi All,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.<br class=""><br class="">I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Jon<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">From: Conference_dev <<a href="mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" class="">conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> On<br class="">Behalf Of Jody Garnett<br class="">Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM<br class="">To: Jérôme St-Louis <<a href="mailto:jerome@ecere.com" class="">jerome@ecere.com</a>><br class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:info@gatewaygeomatics.com" class="">info@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>; <a href="mailto:jmckenna@osgeo.org" class="">jmckenna@osgeo.org</a>; Conference Dev<br class=""><<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:karine@geomatiqc.com" class="">karine@geomatiqc.com</a>; osgeo-board<br class="">List <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" class="">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:chair@foss4g.ca" class="">chair@foss4g.ca</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing<br class="">confusion<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Good idea let us check:<br class=""><a href="https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio" class="">https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio</a><br class="">n-policy<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?<br class=""><br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">Jody Garnett<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <jerome@ecere.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Jody,<br class=""><br class="">AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed<br class="">at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html<br class=""><br class="">I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.<br class="">That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?<br class=""><br class="">The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Best regards,<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-Jerome<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board<br class="">meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <markiliffe@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Jody,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Mark<br class=""><br class="">On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">k<br class=""><br class="">We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Jody<br class=""><br class="">,<br class=""><br class="">Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?<br class=""><br class="">Regards<br class=""><br class="">Steven<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">+44 (0) 7958 924101<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).<br class=""><br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">Jody Garnett<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <shfeldman@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?<br class=""><br class="">______<br class="">Steven<br class=""><br class="">Unusual maps in strange places - mappery.org<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <jneufeld@tecterra.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Hi All,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Jon<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">JONATHAN NEUFELD<br class=""><br class="">CO-CHAIR<br class=""><br class="">FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY<br class=""><br class="">http://2020.foss4g.org/<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev<br class=""><br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">Jody Garnett<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev<br class=""><br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">--<br class=""><br class="">Jody Garnett<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class=""><br class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org<br class=""><br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev<br class=""></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev<br class=""></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>