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    <p>Hi all,</p>
    <p>great to see such a fruitful discussion ;-). <br>
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    <p>I like the idea from Eli, maybe we should seperate between
      with/without seed money here.</p>
    <p>Till <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.01.20 um 12:27 schrieb Steven
      Feldman:<br>
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          <div class="">On 2 Jan 2020, at 15:14, Eli Adam <<a
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              <div dir="auto" class="">If we’re revising, stepped
                amounts make more sense to me, 50/50 split of the first
                $30,000, 90 OSGeo / 10 LOC there after.  OSGeo already
                has a host of great programs and ways to spend the
                money.  It also is the reason that FOSS4G happens.  (It
                also is how OSGeo exists).  </div>
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              <div dir="auto" class="">I’m all in favor of LOCs getting
                some portion of the proceeds (that’s why I like an
                aggressive initial percent), but think of what is a good
                amount for a LOC to tuck away for the future and then
                think of typical returns.  </div>
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            <div dir="auto" class="">Best regards, Eli</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at
                  4:20 AM Steven Feldman <<a
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                    <div class="">IMO: The RfP is published each year,
                      it sets out OSGeo’s expectations for LOCs to bid.
                      I think it is binding but it would do no harm to
                      strengthen that with some more formal language
                      when we revise the RfP document later this year.</div>
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                          <div class="">On 2 Jan 2020, at 11:54, Till
                            Adams <<a
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                              <p class="">Hi Steven,</p>
                              <p class="">thanks, I missed to read the
                                RfP carefully ;-) <br class="">
                              </p>
                              <p class="">Is it enough to have this only
                                in the RfP docs?</p>
                              <p class="">Till<br class="">
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                              <div class="">Am 02.01.20 um 12:39 schrieb
                                Steven Feldman:<br class="">
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                              <blockquote type="cite" class=""> In the
                                RfP document it says (my italics):
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                                    class="">Funding by OSGeo and
                                    distribution of surplus</span>
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                                                          <p class=""><span
style="font-weight:700" class="">It is expected that all FOSS4G events
                                                          will be
                                                          budgeted and
                                                          operated to
                                                          deliver a
                                                          surplus over
                                                          costs. <i
                                                          class="">Part
                                                          of the surplus
                                                          will be
                                                          donated to
                                                          OSGeo.</i></span></p>
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                                                      <p class=""><span
style="font-weight:700;font-style:normal" class="">Seed Funding</span></p>
                                                      <p class="">OSGeo
                                                        can offer seed
                                                        funding (an
                                                        advance to cover
                                                        start-up
                                                        expenses and
                                                        deposits before
                                                        revenues are
                                                        received) and an
                                                        additional
                                                        guarantee to
                                                        cover losses (up
                                                        to an agreed
                                                        limit) in the
                                                        event of
                                                        unexpected
                                                        events (subject
                                                        to approval of
                                                        budgets and
                                                        regular
                                                        financial
                                                        updates to an
                                                        OSGeo board
                                                        representative).</p>
                                                      <p class="">If
                                                        OSGeo provides
                                                        seed funding and
                                                        guarantees, it
                                                        is expected that
                                                        in the region of
                                                        85% of any
                                                        surplus
                                                        generated will
                                                        be donated to
                                                        OSGeo (a lower
                                                        percentage will
                                                        be considered
                                                        for events
                                                        hosted in Lower
                                                        or Middle Income
                                                        economies).
                                                        OSGeo will
                                                        provide a
                                                        financial
                                                        supervisor who
                                                        must be
                                                        consulted on all
                                                        major financial
                                                        decisions. For
                                                        more information
                                                        see ​<a
                                                          href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances</a></p>
                                                      <p class=""><b
                                                          class=""><i
                                                          class="">If a
                                                          LOC does not
                                                          require seed
                                                          funding or
                                                          guarantees
                                                          from OSGeo,
                                                          they will be
                                                          expected to
                                                          donate at
                                                          least 50% of
                                                          the surplus
                                                          after costs to
                                                          OSGeo.</i></b></p>
                                                      <p class=""><span
style="font-weight:700;font-style:normal" class="">Travel Grant</span></p>
                                                      <p class="">OSGeo
                                                        will provide a
                                                        grant of $10,000
                                                        minimum towards
                                                        a Travel Grant
                                                        Programme (see <span
style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" class=""><a
                                                          href="https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/foss4g-travel-grant-program/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/foss4g-travel-grant-program/</a></span><span
style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" class="">​ </span>), the LOC are expected
                                                        to raise at
                                                        least an
                                                        equivalent
                                                        amount of
                                                        funding through
                                                        sponsorship,
                                                        donations at
                                                        registration or
                                                        other means.</p>
                                                      <p class=""><span
style="font-weight:700;font-style:normal" class="">Video</span></p>
                                                      <p class="">OSGeo
                                                        may provide loan
                                                        funding towards
                                                        the cost of
                                                        recording the
                                                        conference
                                                        proceedings. If
                                                        there is surplus
                                                        from the
                                                        conference,
                                                        OSGeo requires
                                                        this funding to
                                                        be repaid in
                                                        full to OSGeo
                                                        before any
                                                        calculation and
                                                        distribution of
                                                        the conference
                                                        surplus."</p>
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                                                        <div class="">On
                                                          2 Jan 2020, at
                                                          09:05, Till
                                                          Adams <<a
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                                                        <div class="">Dear
                                                          conference
                                                          committee,<br
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                                                          you know, that
                                                          surplus of
                                                          FOSS4G's is
                                                          one of the
                                                          major source
                                                          of income<br
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                                                          of OSGeo. The
                                                          upcoming two
                                                          events are
                                                          good examples,
                                                          that we need a<br
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                                                          binding and
                                                          general rule
                                                          about "what
                                                          happens with a
                                                          potential
                                                          surplus of<br
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                                                          a FOSS4G":
                                                          Calgary did
                                                          not claim for
                                                          seed money and
                                                          explained to<br
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                                                          transfer back
                                                          "at least
                                                          50%", Buenes
                                                          Aires recently
                                                          requested for
                                                          seed<br
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                                                          money and
                                                          mentioned a
                                                          transfer back
                                                          of 30% in
                                                          their bid
                                                          (Steven asked<br
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                                                          about that
                                                          during the
                                                          RfP).<br
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                                                          <br class="">
                                                          On our last
                                                          board meeting,
                                                          we discussed
                                                          the request
                                                          from Buenes
                                                          Aires<br
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                                                          regarding seed
                                                          money. I know,
                                                          there is a
                                                          general rule,
                                                          that says,
                                                          that<br
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                                                          if a LOC of a
                                                          FOSS4G
                                                          requests for
                                                          seed money,
                                                          that we as an
                                                          organisation<br
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                                                          expect, that
                                                          at least 85%
                                                          of the
                                                          potential
                                                          surplus goes
                                                          back to OSGeo.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          This rule is
                                                          AFAIK written
                                                          in the "FOSS4G
                                                          cookbook" but
                                                          in the WIKI<br
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                                                          still marked
                                                          as "draft"
                                                          [1].<br
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                                                          So, in my
                                                          eyes, we need
                                                          to approve
                                                          this rule and
                                                          make it
                                                          binding for<br
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                                                          future bids.
                                                          Also, there is
                                                          no rule about
                                                          the surplus
                                                          going back to<br
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                                                          OSGeo, if
                                                          teams do *not*
                                                          request for
                                                          seed money. I
                                                          think we
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                                                          to define a
                                                          rule here
                                                          also.<br
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                                                          Any thoughts?<br
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                                                          Till<br
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                                                          [1] <a
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