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<p>Hi Steven,</p>
<p>I like the idea - we can connect that with Eli's idea and say,
okay, you as "other regions LOC" can have a bigger part of the
share, if you clearly define what you are going to do with the
money. This might also catch up somehow with Maria's ideas and
partly de-centralize OSGeo, where it is appropriate. I think that
in most regions of Europe and NA communities already have been
established, so if we split here between Europe/NA and "other
regions" that makes sense to me. <br>
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<p>@Steven - for sure, I will take our ideas to the board, but I
think that we as CC should define an idea, that is as clear as
possible and then ask the board for acceptance.</p>
<p>The problem I see is, that we are not really at the point, where
we as CC can say "okay, this is our rough proposal", or is anybody
able to sum up the extract of our discussion yet?</p>
<p>Till<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.01.20 um 11:33 schrieb Steven
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Perhaps we could consider a different approach for the European
and North American events to the “Other Regions” particularly
where the host country or region needs support to grow the local
community (of course there could also be a case for growing a
local community in NA or Europe).
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<div class="">l think the challenge that we face is that we
already have a lower expectation of surpluses from the event in
“Other Regions”, if we now leave a larger share of the surplus
in the region we will return very little to OSGeo in one of the
3 years of the FOSS4G cycle. I don’t know what proportion of
OSGeo’s income comes from FOSS4G so I cannot guage the impact of
reduced surpluses from FOSS4G. That may be a risk that the board
is willing to accept, it is not for Conference Committee to
decide. Till could you raise this topic with the board and
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I'm trying to avoid jumping in
this thread as I am a very interested party here. I
don't want to influence much the general rules for
future events based on what we need right now.</div>
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I'm in favor of "capping out" the total to the local
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a local chapter has a particular method for spending
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useful way, I don't think that more than $10-30k is
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<div class="">Having the funds in advance to be able
to organize a regional and local event without
having to worry when then money is going to be
available on the bank account is a huge relief and
helps a lot on the sustainability of the regional
events. Maybe the question here is if we want a
centralized OSGeo fund system or we rely on the
local/regional chapters to be able to handle funds.
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<div class="">Yes, probably a profit of 200k is too
much for a regional/local chapter. And maybe 30k
looks like a lot if you are thinking on organizing
small events. But for example, when it comes to a
regional event that wants to also have a TGP, that
money in advance is key to be able to do it
properly. Even when you are sure you will have
profit, tickets and sponsors are incomings that can
came too late.<br class="">
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And I know what you are going to tell me: we can ask
for money anytime so OSGeo gives us seed money or
donations when needed, we don't need to store it
ourselves. But right now I'm thinking on my
particular case, where each transfer to/from
Argentina is painful due to currency exchange.
Giving money back to OSGeo in 2021 to ask again for
money later means losing money on each conversion.
Painful. And my "poor person" mindset quickly jumps
into "better leave the money sitting here, we have
time to give it back to OSGeo later if needed".</div>
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<div class=""> IMHO we should prioritize empowering
regional and local events and leaving "traces" of
the OSGeo budget on different places can help a lot
here. I bet Argentina is not the only case where
fees or currency exchanges or similar "eats" a
portion of the cake. Maybe others just assumed it as
normal and didn't consider they can store part of
that money instead of paying extra fees? The
important thing is to use the money to keep OSGeo
running. If it is centralized or not... I don't know
that is best.<br class="">
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<div class="">TL;DR: Each chapter will have its own
reasons to ask for a different profit percentage.
Guidelines are good, but write them in stone may
discourage some locations.<br class="">
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<div class="">María.<br class="">
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