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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>>How many contacts do we have? <o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The CLOC did a “permissions campaign” at the start of our engagement and asked everyone to opt-in to different levels of communication. Thus the list should contain only active and relevant contacts.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Conference_dev <conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven Feldman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 15, 2020 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Eli Adam <eadam@co.lincoln.or.us>; Malena Libman <malena.libman@gmail.com>; OSGeo-Conf <conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org>; Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH Civ <michael.smith@erdc.dren.mil><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Conf] Mailchimp<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first thing we should do is pause our MailChimp account billing:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>If you have a paid monthly plan and don't need to send campaigns for a while, you can pause billing on your account. You can keep your account paused as long as you need to, but you’re limited to two pauses each year.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>When you pause your account, we immediately end the current billing cycle and suspend sending functionality. You can still use Mailchimp to create and edit campaigns and templates, view reports, and make changes to your audience. We’ll
even continue to manage new signups for you.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>When you're ready to send campaigns again, you’ll need to purchase a plan to unpause your account.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have also checked and here is what MailChimp says about archiving:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>When you archive a contact, you remove them from the contact table and add them to a separate archived contacts page. As long as a contact remains archived, you won’t be able to edit their profile or send them any marketing communications.
However, you’ll retain all of their data, including identifiable information in campaign reports. Archived contacts don’t count toward your billing. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>You can unarchive a contact at any time, and they’ll appear back in your audience with the appropriate email marketing status. A contact can also unarchive themselves if they sign up through your Mailchimp signup form or interact with
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me that we should archive all of the contacts (perhaps doing a bit of segmentation before archiving to make it easier to selectively unarchive when we want to reactivate mailing).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How many contacts do we have? We should check that we are on the best MailChimp tier for our needs. It would be much easier to stick with MailChimp and manage our costs than try to set up a new system, find volunteers to do the sysadmin
work and then worry about GDPR compliance etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suggest that the cost of the MailChimp is paid for by the Conference Committee. We have the unused budget for the TGP for 2020, we should ask OSGeo Board to allow us to use some of that budget for this purpose. We should continue to hold
this as a “central” cost in the future and provide access to the account to a FOSS4G LOC (could be used by regional events as well as global if well set up). The quick way to do this could be to set the payment method to come via the OSGeo PayPal account (hence
I have copied Michael Smith inas OSGeo Treasurer)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I run a MailChimp list for a small local charity, so I know my way around MailChimp. I’d be happy to have a look at how we are set up if there is no one else with more advanced MailChimp experience.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this is helpful<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15 May 2020, at 21:59, Eli Adam <<a href="mailto:eadam@co.lincoln.or.us">eadam@co.lincoln.or.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Stupid question maybe, but why does the LOC have to pay for this? Why is it not covered by OSGeo?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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No good reason, just that's the way it has always been done. My<br>
initial side comment was questioning if we want to re-evaluate that<br>
(which is probably a different thread rather than this thread about<br>
what to do with Mailchimp for the next # months). It is not just<br>
Mailchimp, the whole conference is more or less entirely completed<br>
from scratch by the LOC with very little institutional continuity from<br>
year to year.<br>
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I'll also point out that depending on how finances are configured,<br>
sometimes OSGeo money and LOC money are the same thing and the<br>
"difference" is mostly fictional.<br>
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Best regards, Eli<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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On 15-05-2020 22:17, Malena Libman wrote:<br>
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Thank for your answer Eli.<br>
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I think some of my answers are not as perfect in english as a thought they where.<br>
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I didn't mean we wanted to start to pay whenever we want, it's just that with no income for at least 4 months and the need to relieve the CLOC of the MailChimp expense now (the next charge is may 19th), we don't have the money yet to cover this.<br>
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As for the final comment, I also meant to agree with you, not to say that the CC should do any of our work.<br>
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Malena<br>
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El vie., 15 may. 2020 a las 17:10, Eli Adam (<<a href="mailto:eadam@co.lincoln.or.us">eadam@co.lincoln.or.us</a>>) escribió:<br>
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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:48 PM Malena Libman <<a href="mailto:malena.libman@gmail.com">malena.libman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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For the FOSS4G BALOC, the issue right now is that we don't have the budget to support the mailchimp billing while we are not using it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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My question was more of, "When does BALOC want to send messages?" And<br>
not, "When does BALOC want to start paying for the service?" Many<br>
years, the next LOC is very ready to start sending messages the<br>
day/week after the prior FOSS4G and sometimes (with careful<br>
coordination) before the prior event. If BALOC wants to start sending<br>
messages in September (four months from now), we may want to just<br>
leave it as is, even if BALOC doesn't yet take over payment of it.<br>
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We are working on locking the exact dates, but as long as we don't launch the CFP or the ticket sales, we don't need the mailing platform and it's imperative we reduce expenses considering the pandemic situation world wide and the precarious future of the conference.<br>
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Thanks Steven for the suggestion on archive method, maybe that's the best way to change the billing plan without downloading information to avoid the concerns that Mark mentions or losing important data.<br>
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As Eli mentioned, it would be good for us (as LOC) to know exactly which tasks are managed by the committee and which we need to take care of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I think the typical approach is that the LOC does almost 100% of<br>
everything and the Conference Committee does very little beyond the<br>
initial selection and being available for guidance or advice or if<br>
issues need input. My (not directly related to this thread) comment<br>
was about whether we would ever want to reconsider that and establish<br>
some long term continuity that does some of the routine conference<br>
logistics. That was mere commentary on my part.<br>
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Best regards, Eli<br>
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Cheers<br>
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El vie., 15 may. 2020 a las 16:29, Eli Adam (<<a href="mailto:eadam@co.lincoln.or.us">eadam@co.lincoln.or.us</a>>) escribió:<br>
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I have some hesitancy to ever be in the situation of "we can't send<br>
emails to our list" which could happen if we plan to migrate later (or<br>
even, unarchive later). If there is some reliable method to increase<br>
and decrease expense that doesn't conflict with other uses of that<br>
function, that might be worthwhile if some individual wants to<br>
reliably take that on. Do we know when FOSS4G 2021 wants to start<br>
sending messages?<br>
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I'm also open to evaluating options like <a href="https://phplist.com/pricing">https://phplist.com/pricing</a><br>
if it were found to be equivalent (or better) and would support open<br>
source software while doing it. Generally, I think there is some<br>
value to stability in things like this and we shouldn't be changing<br>
too frequently. Any change should be done in coordination with a LOC<br>
(or if it were to be part of a more centrally managed service by the<br>
Conference Committee).<br>
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For straight cost, +1 to what Darrell and Mark said. This cost is<br>
minor in the big picture. Generally sysadmin time is one of the more<br>
scarce resources around OSGeo and I think that is best reserved for<br>
other functions that can't easily be done otherwise/elsewhere. We<br>
would need to talk to SAC before shifting responsibility of FOSS4G<br>
emails going through correctly on tight timelines to them.<br>
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More generally, evaluating which tasks are managed centrally by the<br>
Conference Committee and which are shuffled from LOC to LOC might be<br>
worth a larger conversation (maybe on some other thread).<br>
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Best regards, Eli<br>
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My general feeling on these things is that it’s worth the money to not put any more burden on volunteers than is necessary — especially if that burden can be easily outsourced for what is frankly a pretty small charge in the grand scheme of things.<br>
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If you can revert to free and then upgrade as necessary, that seems like an excellent investment to me.<br>
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Darrell<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">On May 15, 2020, at 08:52, María Arias de Reyna <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com">delawen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Dear Conference Committee,<br>
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We just had a meeting with the Calgary team to give us the credentials<br>
of the shared accounts by all LOCs.<br>
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We have a question regarding MailChimp. We understand this is an<br>
interesting tool that has been widely used in the past. Right now it<br>
has a cost of 93€/month.<br>
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Considering we are not going to widely use it in the next few months,<br>
we are going to export all the contacts to convert it to a free plan<br>
for the time being and then decide at a later stage what to do with<br>
it. Possibly reimport all the contacts and pay again, if there is no<br>
better alternative.<br>
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Can the Conference Committee discuss to have some FOSS version of<br>
this, like PHPList (<a href="https://github.com/phpList/phplist3">https://github.com/phpList/phplist3</a> ), on OSGeo<br>
servers that will allow us to do the same without depending on an<br>
external provider?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
María.<br>
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