[OSGeo-Discuss] is mantra-request at osgeo.org
Thomas Gertin
tgertin at vt.edu
Mon Nov 6 06:10:49 PST 2017
Is mantra-request at osgeo.org active? I tried e-mailing it a few weeks
ago to try to get an OSGeo user ID but I never got any response.
Thanks, Tom G.
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> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 21:25:47 +0000
> From: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
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> Hi all,
>
> I have been contacted by Niall Conway (GIS Professional magazine) to see if there are any interested contributor(s) who would like to share written updates on the latest developments in open source geo which will be of interest to the wider geospatial community? They are looking to include a section which is dedicated to opensource news and updates to ensure that the magazine content is as balanced as possible.
>
> I think it is a great idea to have a balanced content coverage including also the developments in open source geo. If anyone is interested to volunteer to share written updates including coverage of major events and conferences such as FOSS4G, software updates and partnerships within the broader geospatial field etc please contact Niall (Email - conwayniall at gmail.com ) . This role would particularly suit someone who enjoys writing on a range of new subjects and wishes to develop a profile in the industry.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> PS: I remember Mike Saunt (Astun Technologies) used to write a column on open source geospatial developments for one of the GIS Industry publications. He published the summary from a first small meeting (less than 10 people including Tyler, Jo and me!) that OSGeo had in the UK on the sidelines of another event around 10 years back! But I could not find the article now . If anyone has pdf copy of that article (or the url) could you please send me. Thanks.
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> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:47:39 -0600
> From: Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de>
> To: Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben at transient.nz>
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] twitting
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> Thanks Ben, Jody
>
> Jody:
> I didn't mention names, because it might be that instead of "Jeff" it was
> "Vicky" and instead of "Howard" it was "Jody".
> The situation was my concern.
> Also, I never mentioned project officer.
> So, i was a bit more confused.
>
> But Ben's answer looks very clear for me.
>
> Thanks again to both of you.
>
> Vicky
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben at transient.nz> wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/17 09:06, Vicky Vergara wrote:
>>
>>> I what to know:
>>> - The regularity of the election. (tweet says is irregular)
>>>
>>
>> Our CRO says that the elections were regular. On the basis of what I have
>> seen, I support the findings of the CRO.
>>
>> Surprising or unusual behaviour by individuals does not negate the
>> election. Members have exercised their votes. The results have been
>> returned. The new board is in place. I accept the legitimacy of this
>> democratic process, even though only two of the candidates I supported were
>> successful.
>>
>> - if a suggestion makes a motion.
>>>
>>
>> Not according to Robert's Rules of Order, which require formal statement
>> of a motion.
>>
>> - If a member of the board making a suggestion is stopping the board from
>>> working normally
>>>
>>
>> The reason why committee decisions can be made with a majority vote is to
>> allow the committee to continue to function even in the presence of
>> minority views or distractions. I trust the board to filter out the noise
>> and make decisions that best further the goals of OSGeo.
>>
>> - If a suggestion that is not liked by a non board member can be used in
>>> twitter and not be dealt on a proper IRC channel or mailing list.
>>> and of course, if bringing a tweet like that to the discuss list for all
>>> members is ok or not. (I hope it is, because other wise I am trouble).
>>>
>>
>> I like public meetings and open discussion. Transparency is healthy. Let
>> everyone have their say, in whatever forum, with calm and civility, and be
>> accountable for their actions.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> --
>> Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben at transient.nz>
>> Director
>> Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
>> New Zealand
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> To: Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de>
> Cc: Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben at transient.nz>, OSGeo Discuss list
> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] twitting
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> Sorry for the confusion - I was thinking about project officers (because of
> budget) and typed the wrong thing. The board has not set up new officers
> yet, we are just setting up as a board first.
>
> I did assume names based on the link you shared. I am glad Ben’s answer was
> satisfactory.
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:47 PM Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ben, Jody
>>
>> Jody:
>> I didn't mention names, because it might be that instead of "Jeff" it was
>> "Vicky" and instead of "Howard" it was "Jody".
>> The situation was my concern.
>> Also, I never mentioned project officer.
>> So, i was a bit more confused.
>>
>> But Ben's answer looks very clear for me.
>>
>> Thanks again to both of you.
>>
>> Vicky
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben at transient.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/11/17 09:06, Vicky Vergara wrote:
>>>
>>>> I what to know:
>>>> - The regularity of the election. (tweet says is irregular)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Our CRO says that the elections were regular. On the basis of what I have
>>> seen, I support the findings of the CRO.
>>>
>>> Surprising or unusual behaviour by individuals does not negate the
>>> election. Members have exercised their votes. The results have been
>>> returned. The new board is in place. I accept the legitimacy of this
>>> democratic process, even though only two of the candidates I supported were
>>> successful.
>>>
>>> - if a suggestion makes a motion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not according to Robert's Rules of Order, which require formal statement
>>> of a motion.
>>>
>>> - If a member of the board making a suggestion is stopping the board from
>>>> working normally
>>>>
>>>
>>> The reason why committee decisions can be made with a majority vote is to
>>> allow the committee to continue to function even in the presence of
>>> minority views or distractions. I trust the board to filter out the noise
>>> and make decisions that best further the goals of OSGeo.
>>>
>>> - If a suggestion that is not liked by a non board member can be used in
>>>> twitter and not be dealt on a proper IRC channel or mailing list.
>>>> and of course, if bringing a tweet like that to the discuss list for all
>>>> members is ok or not. (I hope it is, because other wise I am trouble).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I like public meetings and open discussion. Transparency is healthy. Let
>>> everyone have their say, in whatever forum, with calm and civility, and be
>>> accountable for their actions.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben at transient.nz>
>>> Director
>>> Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
>>> New Zealand
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Georepublic UG (haftungsbeschränkt)
>> Salzmannstraße 44,
>> 81739 München, Germany
>>
>> Vicky Vergara
>> Operations Research
>>
>> eMail: vicky at georepublic.de
>> Web: https://georepublic.info
>>
>> Tel: +49 (089) 4161 7698-1
>> Fax: +49 (089) 4161 7698-9
>>
>> Commercial register: Amtsgericht München, HRB 181428
>> CEO: Daniel Kastl
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 09:55:15 +0000
> From: Mike Saunt <mikesaunt at astuntechnology.com>
> To: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> Cc: "discuss at lists.osgeo.org" <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>,
> "uk at lists.osgeo.org" <uk at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-UK] Contributor needed for Open
> Source Geo updates for GIS Professional magazine
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> Suchith,
>
> Let me know if you don't get any takers, I'll try to help where I can.
>
> Mike
>
> PS Jo shared the photo from that first meet with me recently. Could drag
> it out if you like!
>
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, 21:25 Suchith Anand, <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have been contacted by Niall Conway (GIS Professional magazine) to see
>> if there are any interested contributor(s) who would like to share written
>> updates on the latest developments in open source geo which will be of
>> interest to the wider geospatial community? They are looking to include a
>> section which is dedicated to opensource news and updates to ensure that
>> the magazine content is as balanced as possible.
>>
>> I think it is a great idea to have a balanced content coverage including
>> also the developments in open source geo. If anyone is interested to
>> volunteer to share written updates including coverage of major events and
>> conferences such as FOSS4G, software updates and partnerships within the
>> broader geospatial field etc please contact Niall (Email -
>> conwayniall at gmail.com ) . This role would particularly suit someone who
>> enjoys writing on a range of new subjects and wishes to develop a profile
>> in the industry.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith
>>
>> PS: I remember Mike Saunt (Astun Technologies) used to write a column on
>> open source geospatial developments for one of the GIS Industry
>> publications. He published the summary from a first small meeting (less
>> than 10 people including Tyler, Jo and me!) that OSGeo had in the UK on
>> the sidelines of another event around 10 years back! But I could not find
>> the article now . If anyone has pdf copy of that article (or the url)
>> could you please send me. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:17:53 +0100
> From: Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
> To: discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Alternative to CLA: Developer Certificate of
> Origin
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> Hi,
>
> Some food for thought for our projects regarding how to deal with contributions, triggered
> by a recent reading:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/738048/#Comments
>
> Contributor License Agreement (CLA) tend to be replaced by a Developer Certificate
> of Origin (DCO) in a number of projects:
> https://developercertificate.org/
>
> DCO is the mechanism required by the Linux Kernel originally, and by other projects
> now, to accept contributions, as DCO requires less bureaucracy than a CLA and is
> seen more friendly by open source communities:
>
> CLA tastes more like corporate requirement and can typically require an employee to
> see his boss, make him approve the CLA, etc...
>
> An example how a project implemented DCO in their CONTRIBUTING.md :
> https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
>
> One thing that was no completely clear to me is how a
> Signed-off-by: John Smith <jsmith at example.com>" in a commit message means that
> the contributor agrees to the the DCO terms. But reading the help of git commit for the
> -s option that is used to add the Signed-off-by, I see:
>
> -s, --signoff
> Add Signed-off-by line by the committer at the end of the commit log message.
> The meaning of a signoff depends on the project, but it typically certifies that
> committer has the rights to submit
> this work under the same license and agrees to a Developer Certificate of Origin
> (see http://developercertificate.org/ for more information).
>
> So this is typically a git-centric mechanism.
>
> Even
>
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> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 18:01:56 +0000
> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> To: Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
> Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Alternative to CLA: Developer Certificate
> of Origin
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> I had a look at it last week, does not offer PSC the same level of
> flexibility as CLA. And does not seem to cover common cases (like you
> mentioned with an employee).
>
> The project doing this (
> https://about.gitlab.com/2017/11/01/gitlab-switches-to-dco-license/) has a
> very permissive MIT license, so I can see why they do not realize the
> flexibility benefit of a CLA. MIT code can already be used by other
> projects due to wide compatibility.
>
> The same developer origin approach used for a LGPL project would not be as
> effective in sharing. We just used our OSGeo CLA with the GeoTools project
> to donate some code to JTS, something we could not of done without a CLA.
>
> It maybe of interest that we have a government CLA in the works for OSGeo,
> waiting on legal review. This will hopefully allow organizations that are
> restricted to the public domain to participate more easily with open source.
>
> Open source is a very tricky balance of trust. Theses licenses provide
> tools to help us get along. I like CLAs as a safety value providing more
> options to the project teams to share and collaborate.
>
> The signed off thing is easily spoofed; we did some experiments in 2016 to
> see if it would work. That said just like headers at the top of the file it
> can be a social signal that a team cares about open source and not screwing
> up this game of trust.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:25 AM Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Some food for thought for our projects regarding how to deal with
>> contributions, triggered
>>
>> by a recent reading:
>>
>> https://lwn.net/Articles/738048/#Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> Contributor License Agreement (CLA) tend to be replaced by a Developer
>> Certificate
>>
>> of Origin (DCO) in a number of projects:
>>
>> https://developercertificate.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> DCO is the mechanism required by the Linux Kernel originally, and by other
>> projects
>>
>> now, to accept contributions, as DCO requires less bureaucracy than a CLA
>> and is
>>
>> seen more friendly by open source communities:
>>
>>
>>
>> CLA tastes more like corporate requirement and can typically require an
>> employee to
>>
>> see his boss, make him approve the CLA, etc...
>>
>>
>>
>> An example how a project implemented DCO in their CONTRIBUTING.md :
>>
>> https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing that was no completely clear to me is how a
>>
>> Signed-off-by: John Smith <jsmith at example.com>" in a commit message means
>> that
>>
>> the contributor agrees to the the DCO terms. But reading the help of git
>> commit for the
>>
>> -s option that is used to add the Signed-off-by, I see:
>>
>>
>>
>> -s, --signoff
>>
>> Add Signed-off-by line by the committer at the end of the commit log
>> message.
>>
>> The meaning of a signoff depends on the project, but it typically
>> certifies that
>>
>> committer has the rights to submit
>>
>> this work under the same license and agrees to a Developer Certificate of
>> Origin
>>
>> (see http://developercertificate.org/ for more information).
>>
>>
>>
>> So this is typically a git-centric mechanism.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Spatialys - Geospatial professional services
>>
>> http://www.spatialys.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 19:22:36 +0000
> From: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> To: Mike Saunt <mikesaunt at astuntechnology.com>
> Cc: "discuss at lists.osgeo.org" <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>,
> "uk at lists.osgeo.org" <uk at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-UK] Contributor needed for Open
> Source Geo updates for GIS Professional magazine
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> Thanks Mike. I will pass the info to Niall. I think it will be good to have 3 contributors (each contributing 2 articles per year) , so your help greatly appreciated.
>
> Please do mail me the Stansted meeting photo when you get time. Even though it was a small initial meeting, I still remember the energy and determination of all present to work selflessly for a bigger cause. It is great to see the rapid growth of OSGeo UK community . It is now one of the most vibrant OSGeo communities globally thanks to efforts by Jo, Ian and many others. This is just the start :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Mike Saunt <mikesaunt at astuntechnology.com>
> Sent: 05 November 2017 9:55 AM
> To: Anand Suchith
> Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org; uk at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-UK] Contributor needed for Open Source Geo updates for GIS Professional magazine
>
> Suchith,
>
> Let me know if you don't get any takers, I'll try to help where I can.
>
> Mike
>
> PS Jo shared the photo from that first meet with me recently. Could drag it out if you like!
>
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, 21:25 Suchith Anand, <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been contacted by Niall Conway (GIS Professional magazine) to see if there are any interested contributor(s) who would like to share written updates on the latest developments in open source geo which will be of interest to the wider geospatial community? They are looking to include a section which is dedicated to opensource news and updates to ensure that the magazine content is as balanced as possible.
>
> I think it is a great idea to have a balanced content coverage including also the developments in open source geo. If anyone is interested to volunteer to share written updates including coverage of major events and conferences such as FOSS4G, software updates and partnerships within the broader geospatial field etc please contact Niall (Email - conwayniall at gmail.com<mailto:conwayniall at gmail.com> ) . This role would particularly suit someone who enjoys writing on a range of new subjects and wishes to develop a profile in the industry.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> PS: I remember Mike Saunt (Astun Technologies) used to write a column on open source geospatial developments for one of the GIS Industry publications. He published the summary from a first small meeting (less than 10 people including Tyler, Jo and me!) that OSGeo had in the UK on the sidelines of another event around 10 years back! But I could not find the article now . If anyone has pdf copy of that article (or the url) could you please send me. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the
> University of Nottingham.
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> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:53:05 +0000
> From: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
> To: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> Cc: Vasile Craciunescu <vasile at geo-spatial.org>, OSGeo Discussions
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Elections 2017 from the CRO point of view
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> Vasile - good work, thanks for it, you did great.
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> po 30. 10. 2017 v 18:32 odesílatel Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> napsal:
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>> I think the correct link is this one -
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2016-8-24#OSGeo_charter_member_election_procedure
>> .
>>
>> But I agree, although this issue was discussed across several meetings
>> (notably the issues and stratagy discussed here
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Face_to_Face_Meeting_2016) the end
>> result was not communicated to our membership and came as a surprise for
>> the 2017 elections.
>>
>> I like the new procedure, although I am sorry it is more work for the CRO.
>> I am surprised at the perception that it is more inclusive - I believe it
>> is a little less inclusive then the prior procedure (since a single -1 vote
>> can now cause a candidate review). Both systems do not have an adequate way
>> to ask for more information, or discuss a nomination, without it being
>> viewed as a personal criticism. There are a couple of ideas (template for
>> nominations, encouraged asking questions) but it will be a careful balance.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 30 October 2017 at 09:57, Vasile Craciunescu <vasile at geo-spatial.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tom,
>>>
>>> I understand the way you are feeling and I know that are reasons for
>>> that. I remember that I had some hard time when I did wrote that part of my
>>> email. However, this was reported my many persons and I had to include this
>>> in my message. Anyway, I don't think that a single old OSGeo charter member
>>> will consider the new comers as lite members. The quality of the new
>>> members is proven by the important number of seconding messages and by the
>>> fact that no veto was raised. In the early years of OSGeo, the membership
>>> process was a very selective one and this was also a subject of criticism.
>>> I can understand why moving from one extreme to another can cause such
>>> reactions. Personally I'm very in favor of an inclusive system but one with
>>> an voting mechanism. This is something for the community and the board to
>>> decide. The actual system is also a big burden to the CRO (hundreds of
>>> emails and wiki edits) and also a stress for our mailing list.
>>>
>>> I can only speculate why they did not used our mailing list to express
>>> their opinion. Most of them are old OSGeo members and I think they did not
>>> want to sound like they are contesting the membership process (already
>>> started) or that they contest the already nominated persons. Not a single
>>> one contested the persons that were nominated and I'm 100% sure that was a
>>> genuine care not to dilute the importance of our membership position. Also,
>>> most of the messages were not sent to CRO email but over IRC/Google
>>> Hangouts and some during face to face meetings, just before the elections,
>>> at FOSS4G in Boston.
>>>
>>> I will conclude by reiterating again that all the critics were on the
>>> membership process and not a single one about the new members. Of course,
>>> those critics should not be expressed now, just before, during or after the
>>> nomination process, but immediately after the board decided to change the
>>> membership process. The board decided to make the change during the face to
>>> face meeting in Bonn in 2016 [1]. At that time, the board did a poor job in
>>> communicating this change to the community. Actually only those members
>>> that are manually checking the meetings wiki pages or the OSGeo Loomio
>>> instance were aware of the change. I was also a board member at that time
>>> and I would like to apologize for not communicating better.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Vasile
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2016-8-04
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/30/17 2:27 PM, Tom Chadwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Vasile and all
>>>>
>>>> I've thought long and hard about whether to reply or not, but it has
>>>> been bothering me, so I guess I must.
>>>>
>>>> However, during the nomination
>>>>> period, many of our members considered the new membership process way
>>>>> too inclusive/lite, causing a diminution in the importance of the
>>>>> charter member position.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As one of the intake of this year's new charter members, I find this
>>>> both insulting and upsetting.
>>>>
>>>> My recommendations for the future board are to: (a) Change the
>>>>> existing membership process with another one more balanced, that assures
>>>>> both inclusiveness and a consistent weight for the charter member
>>>>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where does that leave those of us elected as charter members this year?
>>>> Are we "lite" members because "many" existing members felt strongly enough
>>>> about protecting the exclusivity of their position to complain privately to
>>>> the CRO, but not strongly enough to express that opinion openly so that it
>>>> could be discussed?
>>>>
>>>> I really feel for Vasile that people expressed such a potentially toxic
>>>> opinion, thereby absolving themselves of the responsibility of putting
>>>> their names to it, while presumably expecting him to raise it himself, as
>>>> he has so professionally done.
>>>>
>>>> I was extremely proud to have been nominated and generously seconded.
>>>> Recognition and reputation are significant parts of open-source currency.
>>>> However, this attitude creates the impression that membership is a
>>>> self-serving clique.
>>>>
>>>> I would have been happy to have gone through a more rigorous nomination
>>>> process. However I, and many of my colleagues - many much, much more
>>>> respected than me - did not, through no fault of our own.
>>>>
>>>> Let me make this clear: this issue and the way in which it has been
>>>> raised, coupled with the white western board election results (concern
>>>> about which I absolutely share), and also the unpleasant flavour of the
>>>> board election through the situation with Jeff are making me question
>>>> whether I should retain the charter membership I was so proud to attain.
>>>>
>>>> Yours in frustration
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
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