[OSGeo-Discuss] Improving Code-of-Conduct

[María Arias de Reyna]

El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:27, Mark Iliffe <markiliffe at gmail.com> escribió:

> This would be good - learning from the Dar FOSS4G experience would be a
> good starting place for this. Unfortunately,y not many people believe that
> the laws and codes of conduct we create need to be refreshed and amended to
> keep in pace with our community.
>
> On 22 Jun 2018, at 18:18, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's exactly what I'm trying to do.
>
> Massive +1
>

I want to start with a common CoC for OSGeo (at least as a best practices
model) while keeping conversations with other organizations. As part of a
woman in tech association many orgs have asked for advice already. And
there's already some initiatives for creating common resources. The ones I
know, in Spanish, but that shouldn't be a blocker for a start.

Having exactly the same rules for all situations is difficult, but having a
template is feasible.


> El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:17, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
>> (Changed title to reflect this conversation is about Code-of-Conduct
>> improvements).
>>
>> Maria,
>>
>> I'm going to float a "wish-ware" idea here. Wishware is where someone
>> wishes for a piece of software (or CoC in this case) and some magic
>> geek-fairies go and write it for them because the idea is so good that
>> others are attracted to make it happen.
>>
>> I wish that instead of every foundation and project writing their own
>> CoC, everyone bands together and creates a "Code-of-Conduct Foundation"
>> which takes responsibility for creating a set of standard Code of Conducts,
>> which are maintained by everyone. Something like the Creative Commons
>> licenses for data, or the Open Source licenses defined by OSI.
>>
>> Then we don't need to spend huge amounts of time debating words within
>> our CoC, all we do is decide if we go with CoC-Virtual-Forums or
>> CoC-Face-Conferences, or CoC-Short-Version, or .... (whatever they end up
>> being called).
>>
>> This would require one person initially, growing into a team of people,
>> who would draw together the various authors of Codes-of-Conduct, and
>> attract a commitment from a few projects to use the new Code-of-Conduct.
>>
>> Maybe this might be your calling? It would be a huge amount of effort,
>> but would also be hugely valuable and an excellent gift to humanity.
>>
>> On 23/6/18 7:58 am, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> El vie., 22 jun. 2018 23:35, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>> escribió:
>>
>>>
>>> Maria, re the Code-of-Conduct, I agree with Christian. Rewriting it to
>>> create rules which consider all future opportunities for human conflict is
>>> utopian, impractical and ultimately unachievable.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with that. But a static CoC is also impractical, considering that
>> in the last years CoCs have advanced a lot and now we know what works
>> better on each kind of organizations.
>>
>> What I propose is to evolve, not to throw all the work already done. As I
>> already said on previous mails, the work done was outstanding for the time
>> it was written. Which may seem very recently but considering how much we
>> have advanced, is already old.
>>
>> There have been a huge number of person-hours which have been put into
>>> the numerous Code-Of-Conducts which our OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct was based
>>> upon. I think we keep our Code-of-Conduct as simple as possible, and rely
>>> on our underlying morals, ethics, and collective intelligence to address
>>> concerns as they arise.
>>>
>>
>> My plan is not to complicate it, but to make it stronger.
>>
>> Let me give you one simple example of something that doesn't make sense
>> right now:
>>
>> We cannot say dirty words, but we can harass someone using beautiful
>> words as long as we claim good intent. That doesn't make sense.
>>
>> So, precisely one of the things you quote above as what we should do is
>> one of the things that are wrong.
>>
>> This article can explain the situation better than me:
>> https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/
>>
>> This would be the easiest thing to propose to change because once you
>> understand it, it becomes obvious. But there's more.
>>
>>
>>>
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>> Cameron Shorter
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>>
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