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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Arial Narrow"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow";color:blue'>I have a contact
at the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Freedom</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Law</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>.
If no one here objects I could send an e-mail inquiring about legal services or
advice for the OSGeo.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow";color:blue'>Landon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 30, 2007
10:27 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSGeo
Discussions</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board
Proposal: Statement of OSGeo Legal Support</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>IMO</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Good
call Cameron.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>In
this day and age it would pay to be proactive on these types of issues.</span></font>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>It's
been a while since I last looked at this.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>From
memory, a number of large companies have pledged resources to help defend FOSS.
I'm not sure where this is at currently. </span></font><br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>I
think that its with the Linux Foundation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Linux_Foundation
(formed in 2007 from The Open Source Development Labs and the Free Standards
Group).</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>You
may also want to look at the Software Freedom Law Centre founded by Eben
Moglen. I understand that they provide pro-bono legal services to protect and
advance Free and Open Source Software:</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>http://www.softwarefreedom.org/technology/</span></font>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Bruce</span></font>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'> </span></font>
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<font size=1 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Sent
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<p><font size=1 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
sans-serif'>31/10/07 09:30 AM</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Good
processes + no money is an acceptable strategy so long as we have </span></font></tt><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">consciously made this decision and everyone is
aware of the strategy.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Allan Doyle wrote:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> On Oct 30, 2007, at 15:09 , Michael P. Gerlek
wrote:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> Way back on that cold day in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City>, I'm not sure
anyone ever really</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> thought about what it would mean when we
said we'd "offer legal</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> protection".</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> Does it imply/lead-to/entail some sort of
indemnification? Ouch, that</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> would be pricey... How does the
Apache gang, et al, handle this?</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> My recollection is that the Apache gang
carefully keeps their coffers </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> empty and makes sure the code all legally
belongs to the Apache </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Foundation. Thus there's not enough of a pot
of gold to win in a suit.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> However, I'm guessing that this strategy
depends on a pretty </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> well-defined process to ensure there are no
loopholes.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Allan</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> -mpg</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> -----Original Message-----</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>>
[mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Landon Blake</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:56
AM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSGeo
Discussions</st1:PersonName></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board
Proposal: Statement of</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> OSGeo Legal Support</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Cameron,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> I think this is an excellent idea,
and a lawyer should definitely be</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> consulted. I wonder if the legal
staff at the Software Freedom</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Conservancy could assist.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Landon</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> -----Original Message-----</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>>
[mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:56
AM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> To: OSGeo-Board</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Cc: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">OSGeo
Discussions</st1:PersonName>; Adrian Custer</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Proposal:
Statement of OSGeo Legal</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Support</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> OSGeo Board, (CC to OSGeo Discuss),</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> During the founding of OSGeo, it was
often noted that OSGeo projects</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> would benefit from OSGeo legal
protection. Now, as Geotools wrestles</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> with graduation criteria and how to
handle license assignment, the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> nature and level of legal protection
offered by OSGeo is</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> unclear. Also</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> unclear is the level of legal review
available (as tested by Geotools</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> crafting of a Copywrite Assignment
document).</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Consequently, geotools is having
difficulty deciding whether</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> it is wise</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> to assign copywrite to OSGeo.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> I suspect a large part of the problem
is that board members (like</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> myself) are not lawyers and don't
have a clear understanding of the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> options, the value of each of the
options to OSGeo and the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> projects (how</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> much protection is given), and the
cost both in time and financially.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Key questions to answer for each
option are:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> * What level of support is given to
contributors and license reviewers</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> (individuals and companies)</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> * What level of support is given to
OSGeo users?</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> * What level of support is given to
projects? Will OSGeo</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> fight a license</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> infringer on behalf of a project?</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> * What level of support is given to
the OSGeo Foundation?</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> *Proposal*</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> That the board makes a clear
statement on their website about</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> nature and</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> level of support offered by OSGeo to
OSGeo projects and Individuals.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> This statement needs to be backed up
with a budget item addressing</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> financial implications related to the
statement.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Implementation:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> I suggest the steps to achieve the
above would be:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> 1. Board approves budget to have a
lawyer, or volunteer with legal</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> review, to draw up a list of options
and their financial</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> implications.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Adrian Custer's review provides an
excellent basis for a</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> lawyer to start</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> from.
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/Geotools+Legal+Review</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> 2. Board votes to select best option.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> 3. OSGeo financial sponsors are given
opportunity to contribute to</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> decision.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> 4. OSGeo budgets for decision</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> 5. OSGeo records the legal stance
publicly (on a webpage).</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> -- </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Cameron Shorter</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Geospatial Systems Architect</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Think Globally, Fix Locally</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Commercial Support for Geospatial
Open Source Software</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>>
http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> _______________________________________________</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Discuss mailing list</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</font></tt><br>
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http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font face="Courier New">>>></font></tt><br>
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<tt><font face="Courier New">>> _______________________________________________</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">>> Discuss mailing list</font></tt><br>
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