<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]--><o:SmartTagType
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="PlaceName"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="State"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="City"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="place"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="country-region"/>
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
</style>
<![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I should have clearly stated that local
conferences could be an alternative to FOSS4G, not a REPLACEMENT. Please don’t
burn me at the stake for that slip up. :]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Landon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Landon Blake<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 07, 2008
11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some
post-FOSS4G thoughts</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I really think the best solution to this
issue would be smaller, regional conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that
could be tackled by local OSGeo Chapters?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It would be cool if we could get a point
location and radius of acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then
determine which host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the
most users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Landon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Daniel Ames<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 07, 2008
10:49 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> conference_dev<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some
post-FOSS4G thoughts</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the
mix of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT. The really liked having the
business GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint conference
like this gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing opportunities
that they wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT idea the <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region></st1:place>
group had. Good job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
"closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that
"closer" is relative to your datum... There is a huge growing
GIS interest in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">China</st1:country-region></st1:place>
right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good
luck!" to the Aussies... and as for 2010? Anyone interested in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Beijing</st1:City></st1:place>? How about <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place>? :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>- Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <<a
href="mailto:GavinF@mintek.co.za">GavinF@mintek.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as
well<br>
<br>
Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.<br>
<br>
I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded<br>
to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location<br>
WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the<br>
full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson<br>
to government official WORKED.<br>
<br>
It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years<br>
to come.<br>
<br>
Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of<br>
community.<br>
<br>
Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users<br>
and funders. And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint</a><br>
<br>
Cost:<br>
-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was<br>
NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%<br>
discount, but these were a minority.<br>
-Travel was THE deciding factor.<br>
-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block<br>
bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in<br>
high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising<br>
one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should<br>
not have been a factor.<br>
-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could<br>
not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.<br>
<br>
By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many<br>
places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and<br>
that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.<br>
<br>
The value of bringing FOSS4G to <st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region>
(or <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City></st1:place> or
other future<br>
global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City></st1:place> will be
in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.<br>
But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and <st1:place w:st="on">Southeast
Asia</st1:place>. And a<br>
core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And<br>
there you have the magic mix.<br>
<br>
So, from me:<br>
-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually<br>
-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever<br>
they emerge<br>
-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived<br>
technical-business divide.<br>
-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big<br>
sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is<br>
<a href="http://www.igarss09.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igarss09.org/</a>
where the conference was awarded years back<br>
enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).<br>
<br>
Gavin Fleming<br>
<br>
<br>
This message is intended for the addressee only.<br>
Information and attachments in this e-mail may contain confidential,
proprietary, or legally privileged information.<br>
If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivery of the
message to the intended recipient,<br>
any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken is prohibited and
may be unlawful,<br>
and could result in a claim against you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br clear=all>
<br>
-- <br>
Daniel P. Ames PhD, PE<br>
Department of Geosciences<br>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Idaho</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> - <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place> Falls<br>
<a href="mailto:amesdani@isu.edu">amesdani@isu.edu</a><br>
<a href="http://www.MapWindow.org">www.MapWindow.org</a><br>
<a href="http://www.Hydromap.com">www.Hydromap.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
</span></font><strong><b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial'>Warning:</span></font></b></strong><b><font size=1
face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><br>
</span></font></b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial'>Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed
against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is
not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If
you have received this information in error, please notify the sender
immediately.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>