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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>However, they (the US govt.) don’t even need a specific legal
provision to spy on data that is hosted outside the US, and they’ve been doing
that since forever…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Desrochers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rkgeorge@cadmaps.com; OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparison between MapServer/OpenLayers
and ESRI ArcIMS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>One thing to consider using a
cloud approach with Amazon is the license agreement concerning your data.<br>
Under the Patriot Act in the US all data hosted in the US could be made
available to the US government.<br>
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Not all corporations are ready to live with that.<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2009/5/30 Randy George <<a
href="mailto:rkgeorge@cadmaps.com">rkgeorge@cadmaps.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Cloud options are looking interesting.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/" target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/</a>
Windows, Linux, Solaris options<br>
<br>
I imagine ESRI license entanglement with virtual servers could be a problem.
But no problem at all with Open Source GIS stacks. No license to get tangled
with load balancing and auto scaling where servers come and go as needed.
Mostly I've seen small business interest since they tend to take overhead costs
more seriously.<br>
<br>
It might be useful to include a Cloud based server solution addendum, because
that would be less optimal for an ESRI vendor and could look good compared to
in-house hardware.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, medium and large organizations seem to have budget allocations
already in place for the big ticket approach. But then in this economy even
that could be changing.<br>
<br>
AWS now includes Load Balancing and Auto Scaling options as well as S3 Backup,
multiple offsite elastic block store duplication, edge cache, and elastic IP.<br>
<a
href="http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/"
target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/</a><br>
<br>
And for the real bleeding edge <a href="http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/"
target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/</a><br>
(Not a selling point to small, medium, or large organizations, unless
academically oriented :-)<br>
<br>
rkgeorge<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jason Birch<br>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:49 PM<br>
To: OSGeo Discussions<br>
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and
ESRI ArcIMS<br>
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I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security than it is
the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already over-extended support
load. In many cases it just makes sense to spend $1000 for a server OS
that doesn't require additional training, is easy to get qualified techs for,
and "just works" with the existing systems. It doesn't matter
how easy Linux is; it's one more thing to keep track of and one more thing to
go wrong.<br>
<br>
If you want to "win" the open source battle at small organisations
that don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the
application level where you can make a strong business case on a
feature-by-feature level, and with additional arguments about truly open data
being more sustainable and less risky. Personally I think that an
"open source or bust" attitude is not very pragmatic.
"Sell" open source software where it is the best tool for the
job, but pick your battles.<br>
<br>
Jason<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Alex Mandel<br>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM<br>
To: OSGeo Discussions<br>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and
ESRI ArcIMS<br>
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That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work.<br>
Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running servers.<br>
Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual machine
hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is.<br>
<br>
Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc.<br>
The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of which there
are plenty online now.<br>
<br>
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