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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">David,<br>
I'm comfortable with the program committee's decision as you
describe it. I do retain a mild preference for presenter names to
be mentioned during the community voting process, but am also
interested to hear what insights you gain from trialling this
blind community review process.<br>
<br>
I do agree with all comments and reasoning so far that direct
results of community voting shouldn't be published, but rather
should be used as a guide to the LOC for selecting a balanced
program. <br>
<br>
On 18/01/2013 9:04 AM, Fawcett, David (MPCA) wrote:<br>
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Program Committee had a healthy discussion about the pros
and cons of structuring the community review process so that
presentations are evaluated solely on the title and abstract
description. We decided as a group that the potential
positives outweighed the potential negatives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
community review process is an important part of the
selection of presenters, but it is not the only input. The
Program Committee will use that data along with their own
review of the abstracts, knowledge of the speakers, the
number of presentation slots, expected makeup of the
registrants, and other factors to put together the best
program that we can for FOSS4G NA 2013.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
would actually be interesting if we could test to see if
this review methodology had any effect on who submitted
abstracts. That may best be accomplished by surveying the
people who submit them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
haven’t discussed it as a committee, but I personally don’t
think that it is productive to publish the results of the
community review and will push to not do that. At the same
time, if someone has concerns about how decisions are made,
they should talk to us. The Program Committee is made up of
some great people who represent various parts of the FOSS4G
community.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
are working hard, and our only agenda is to make this the
best FOSS4G event ever. If anyone feels that they have a
perspective that is missing from the committee, we would be
happy to have them join the committee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Bannerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G North America
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cameron,<br>
<br>
Agreed.<br>
<br>
As has been discussed in similar threads, and as we found
for Sydney, it helps the LOC determine relative popularity
of presentations for room allocation.<br>
<br>
However, perhaps the actual final results do not need to be
published.<br>
<br>
Presenters are either accepted or they’re not, after
deliberation by the LOC. <br>
<br>
There is no need to establish a popularity contest.<br>
<br>
Bruce<br>
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On 18/01/13 6:24 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
17/01/13 03:58, David William Bitner wrote:<br>
> Additionally following advice from other events as well
as many<br>
> members of our community, we are making the community
review process<br>
> for presentation submission author anonymous as a
concern with how we<br>
> have done this in the past has been the fear that many
folks have of<br>
> feeling publicly shamed with critique and voting of
their proposals.<br>
> These are only two small steps that we are taking to
addressing an<br>
> environment in the overall open source world that by
the numbers is<br>
> very unwelcome to women and other groups (while there
have not been<br>
> any overt issues that I know of as part of any FOSS4G,
if you look at<br>
> the percentage of female conference goers or developers
in our<br>
> community, we do have a long ways to go).<br>
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David,<br>
If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting blind
voting on<br>
abstracts without knowing who will be presenting it?<br>
I've heard that blind auditions has been successfully
applied to<br>
recruitment for orchestras, (which makes sense), however I
don't think<br>
it is applicable for Open Source communities.<br>
<br>
You see, in selecting Open Source presentations, I think it
is very<br>
important to know who will be presenting, almost as
important as the<br>
presentation content itself. This is because the presenters
who will<br>
have the most insightful content, and who will attract the
most audience<br>
are usually those who have built up a large, very public
reputation, (as<br>
leaders of open source communities, usually with a long
history of<br>
insightful emails, blogs, and IRC trails).<br>
<br>
I appreciate the importance of being welcoming to all
communities. In<br>
fact, I think that successful Open Source communities are
naturally<br>
welcoming as they have managed to attract developers and
community.<br>
However, I don't think that blind voting is right for us.<br>
<br>
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