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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Paul,<br>
      I echo Bruce's sentiment, in that I suspect the you might be
      asking the wrong questions about the value of Open Sourcing.<br>
      <br>
      Should you Open Source your code?<br>
      * Making code available to the Open Source community will always
      be welcomed.<br>
      <br>
      * However, handing the code over to OSGeo (or any other volunteer
      community) and expecting the community to maintain the code is
      most likely going to result in the codebase being ignored and
      forgotten.<br>
      <br>
      * If you wish to make sure the code continues to be maintained and
      improved, then you would be best to identify a business model for
      maintaining the code. This usually involves identifying sponsors -
      organisations who want what you have, and are prepared to pay
      developers to nurture and improve the code.<br>
      <br>
      * One business model which sometimes works is for the originating
      organisation to Open Source their code, make sure the code is
      generic enough for other organisations to use, MARKET the codebase
      to attract users, sponsors and maintainers. Once other developers
      are helping maintain your codebase, you will reap the benefit of
      reduced maintenance costs. You will also avoid having to
      end-of-life your product in 10 years time, when you are forced to
      migrate to another more successful Open Source product.<br>
      <br>
      * I suggest you look at OSGeo's requirements for project
      incubation, which identifies core factors for successful Open
      Source projects. Note also that giving your project to OSGeo would
      involve taking the project through this incubation process, and
      working out the funding model to do so:<br>
      <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 08/02/14 00:46, Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bruce,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Fair
            question, and at this point, I’m not sure.  I don’t
            represent DHS S&T, but I’m trying to see if there’s
            interest from OSGeo to explore a tech transfer of the
            project to OSGeo.  Basically, the work has largely been done
            and I’m trying to determine if the broader community could
            benefit from it.  Given the feedback I’ve heard so far, I
            think it could be valuable to have a dialog with DHS S&T
            and an OSGeo representative to talk about what the transfer
            model might be (e.g., the approaches you described), but I’m
            not sure who would be the appropriate OSGeo contact.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul
            Breimyer, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Technical
            Staff, Surveillance Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MIT
            Lincoln Laboratory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(781)
            981-0923 (work)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(781)
            879-8675 (cell)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pbreimyer@ll.mit.edu"><span
                style="color:#1F497D">paul.breimyer@ll.mit.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            Bruce Bannerman [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>] <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 06, 2014 5:47 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Breimyer, Paul - 0442 - MITLL;
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Fwd: FW: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W
            Portal Opportunity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Paul,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I noted
              your last paragraph below, which does ring alarm bells for
              me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">What is the intent of this approach? Is
            it:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <ul type="disc">
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
              level1 lfo1">To potentially launch a piece of software as
              an open source project that DHS S&T will sponsor and
              support through the incubation process until the project
              becomes self sustaining; or<o:p></o:p></li>
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            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
              level1 lfo2">To declare some software that DHS S&T has
              developed as open source with a view for OSGeo, or some
              other party, to pick it up, sponsor and support it through
              the incubation process, with DHS S&T hoping to get the
              software maintained by others with little or no
              involvement by DHS S&T.<o:p></o:p></li>
          </ul>
          <p>I'm unclear of the intent behind the approach from your
            email.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>I suspect that you would receive a more favourable response
            if it was the first option above. You may even find that an
            existing project that works in this space may pick up the
            software if it is appropriate for their long term road map.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                            style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject:
                          </span></b><span
                          style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Re:
                          [OSGeo-Discuss] Possible CS-W Portal
                          Opportunity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><snip></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There
                                may be an opportunity to completely open
                                source the system, which would require
                                some additional development to fully
                                support the CS-W interface.  Based upon
                                the responses I’ve received so far
                                (thanks again), it seems like there may
                                be some interest, but I think DHS
                                S&T may need a stronger expression
                                of interest from OSGeo to move forward.
                                If there’s interest, I could try to
                                schedule a webex meeting to show the
                                system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></snip></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
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