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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Bart,<br>
      <br>
      what I have in mind is the following (but for sure not the only
      possible way):<br>
      - have a well-defined membership status (registered on OSGeo list,
      paid membership, whatever other criterion)<br>
      - have 2 rounds of election:<br>
          * everybody (=members, or even outsiders) can suggest anybody
      from membership (ie, members "in good standing", such as fees
      paid, if applicable)<br>
          * from that list, membership elects with simple majority<br>
      - elected seats are valid until next election (maybe 2 years, to
      decrease the election effort required)<br>
      - accepted and incubating projects get one extra seat each,
      reflecting the impact OSGeo is exercising on them. However, these
      should always be (strictly) less than 50% of the overall seats so
      that projects alone can never dominate over the group of elected
      persons.<br>
      <br>
      So this above is a brief sketch, attempting to accommodate:<br>
      - democracy, opennness, inclusiveness<br>
      - the perceived need to have projects represented<br>
      <br>
      cheers,<br>
      Peter<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 06/30/2014 09:27 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:<br>
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      Hey Peter,
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      <div>so what would be your suggestions to make the process more of
        the 4 bullet points you mentioned?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Best regards,</div>
      <div>Bart</div>
      <div><br>
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          <div>
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              <div>On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:24, Peter Baumann <<a
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                  href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cameron & all,<br>
                    <br>
                    a lot of serious, involved work is going on on this
                    thread; however, some core issues which I tried to
                    phrase, but Steven (Feldman) expressed much crisper,
                    still remain unaddressed by the currently voted
                    proposal:<br>
                    <div>
                      <ul>
                        <li>Inclusiveness</li>
                        <li>Democracy</li>
                        <li>Growth</li>
                        <li>Openness</li>
                      </ul>
                    </div>
                    The proposal as it stands is in high danger of
                    establishing a self-sustaining oligarchy. <br>
                    <br>
                    I am concerned that a body that claims to have
                    international impact (through project branding) high
                    responsibility must be exercised in terms of
                    transparency, openness, and democratic principles. <br>
                    <br>
                    -Peter<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    On 06/29/2014 10:26 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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                  <blockquote cite="mid:53B07670.5000608@gmail.com"
                    type="cite"> OSGeo board,<br>
                    In the interests of making a decision such that
                    Jorge Salinas (our CRO) can move forward, I propose
                    the following process be followed for voting new
                    charter members in 2014:<br>
                    <br>
                    1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter
                    member(s) (as before).<br>
                    <br>
                    2. Charter members then vote (in/out) nominated
                    charter members. This will be different to prior
                    years, as we previously voted in a fixed number of
                    members for a larger selection pool. (eg vote in 20
                    people from a list of 30). For this year, I propose
                    we have a "Yes/No" vote. Ie, if we have a list of 30
                    candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote
                    Yes or No against each candidate. Each candidate
                    with greater than 50% of YES votes will be included
                    as new charter members.<br>
                    <br>
                    3. Charter members would be guided to select
                    candidates who fit the "Positive Attributes for
                    Charter Members" as defined here: <a
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                    <br>
                    4. There will be no limit to the number of new
                    charter members who can be selected. This will
                    require an update of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                      href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process</a><br>
                    <br>
                    5. Note: This vote is being put to the board and not
                    to charter members as I don't wish to complicate
                    this decision by adding a 2nd (positive) idea for
                    change. We can address getting charter members to
                    vote on issues as a separate motion.<br>
                    <br>
                    Board members, can you please all vote on above:<br>
                    <br>
                    +1 Cameron<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/06/2014 9:31 pm,
                      Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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                    <blockquote cite="mid:53AAB2F7.4040607@gmail.com"
                      type="cite"> Following the community discussion, I
                      further researched OSGeo's foundation documents,
                      (in retrospect I should have done this earlier).<br>
                      <br>
                      Of particular relevance to current discussion is
                      our ByLaws:<br>
                      <br>
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                        href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html</a><br>
                      <i>Section 7.1. Admission of [Charter] Members. An
                        initial group of up to forty-five (45) persons
                        shall be admitted as the initial [charter]
                        members of the corporation upon the affirmative
                        vote of the Board of Directors of the
                        corporation. Thereafter, to be eligible for
                        [charter] membership, a person must be nominated
                        by an existing [charter] member of the
                        corporation pursuant to a written document in
                        such form as shall be adopted by the Board of
                        Directors from time to time. The nomination must
                        be included in a notice to the [charter] members
                        at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting
                        at which the [charter] members will vote on the
                        applicant’s admission. Proposed [charter]
                        members shall be admitted upon the affirmative
                        vote of the members of the corporation.</i><br>
                      <br>
                      This section implies that the proposal below of
                      automatically accepting "Recognised OSGeo
                      Community Leaders" is unconstitutional, as charter
                      members need to be voted into the role by existing
                      charter members.<br>
                      <br>
                      It also implies that while a separate paid
                      membership category could be created, paid members
                      would still need to be voted into a charter member
                      role by existing charter members.<br>
                      <br>
                      The ByLaws don't mention limiting the number of
                      new charter members. This criteria seems to have
                      been introduced as a Membership Process by the
                      26th Board meeting:<br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process</a><br>
                      <i>The number of new members will be between 10%
                        and one third of the existing charter membership
                        count as decided by the board</i>.<br>
                      <br>
                      Such a statement created by the board, could be
                      updated by the board, and as such the board could
                      agree to accept an unlimited number of new charter
                      members.<br>
                      <br>
                      So I'm now thinking that our election process can
                      be simplified to:<br>
                      <br>
                      1. Charter member to nominate potential new
                      charter member(s)<br>
                      2. Charter members then vote (in/out) against all
                      nominated charter members<br>
                      A suitable criteria for determining whether a
                      nominee qualifies is listed here: <a
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                        href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a><br>
                      4. Nominees with a majority of votes are included
                      as new Charter Members<br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/06/2014 9:52
                        am, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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                      <blockquote cite="mid:539CE03F.8010005@gmail.com"
                        type="cite"> Within 2 weeks we intend to start
                        our annual process for selecting new OSGeo
                        charter members.<br>
                        <br>
                        In previous years the Charter Member selection
                        process has been a little contentious. We
                        typically receive numerous nominations from high
                        caliber members of our community, and
                        insufficient positions to accept them all. This
                        typically results in unnecessary disappointment
                        and dissent.<br>
                        <br>
                        In response, the OSGeo board has agreed to trial
                        tweaking the voting process. The aim is to
                        automatically accept recognised OSGeo community
                        leaders, while continuing with our existing
                        process which attracts the many valuable
                        community members who contribute in other ways.
                        Community comments are encouraged, and will be
                        considered over the next week.<br>
                        <br>
                        <b>Design guidelines:</b><br>
                        <br>
                        * We want a process which is simple to
                        understand and implement.<br>
                        * We want a process which encourages recognised
                        OSGeo community leaders to become OSGeo charter
                        members, while continuing to accept members from
                        the many other valuable OSGeo roles.<br>
                        * We want a process which is difficult to abuse.<br>
                        * For the first iteration, we should err on
                        being more selective in our criteria, with
                        potential widening of selection criteria in
                        future years.<br>
                        <br>
                        <b>Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders</b><b><br>
                        </b><br>
                        OSGeo aims to provide OSGeo Charter Membership
                        to all recognised OSGeo community leaders who
                        are nominated. Hopefully, sufficient positions
                        are available. If there are more candidates than
                        available, then membership will be allocated to
                        the first to be nominated. Remaining nominees
                        will be automatically offered to go through the
                        standard voting process.<br>
                        Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders are defined
                        as people who have been <b>voted</b> into a
                        position of authority within official OSGeo
                        projects and committees, where the voting
                        community includes at least 3 OSGeo charter
                        members.<br>
                        <br>
                        Acceptable roles are currently limited to:<br>
                        * Project Steering Committee member of a
                        Graduated OSGeo Project<br>
                        * Chair of Official Local Chapter<br>
                        * Chair of an OSGeo committee<br>
                        <br>
                        The application process for recognised OSGeo
                        Community Leaders is the same as for other
                        nominees.<br>
                        <br>
                        Full text of our processes are at:<br>
                        * <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process_2014</a><br>
                        * <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014</a><br>
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>,  F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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                      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>,  F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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                    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>,  F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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                  <pre class="moz-signature" cols="80">-- 
Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
   <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
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   tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
 - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
   <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com/">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
   tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)


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Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
   <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
   mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
   tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
 - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
   <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
   tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)


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