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Thanks all for your comments. I've updated based on your feedback
to:<br>
<br>
<i>1a. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s)
(as before).</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>1b. A person who meets the "Positive Attributes for Charter
Members" [1]</i><i>, may ask an charter member who can vouch for
the person to nominate them.<br>
<br>
</i><i>2. Charter members then vote (in/out/</i><i><b>abstain</b></i><i>)
nominated charter members. This will be different to prior years,
as we previously voted in a fixed number of members for a larger
selection pool. (eg vote in 20 people from a list of 30). For this
year, I propose we have a "Yes/No" vote. Ie, if we have a list of
30 candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote Yes or No
against each candidate. Each candidate with </i><i><b>more YES
votes than NO votes as well as greater than 5% of charter
members who voted</b></i><i> will be included as new charter
members.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>3. Charter members would be guided to select candidates who
fit the "Positive Attributes for Charter Members" [1] </i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>4. There will be no limit to the number of new charter
members who can be selected. This will require an update of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process</a></i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a></i><br>
<br>
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Some specific answers below:<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2014 6:39 am, Alex Mandel
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:53B0798E.8040007@wildintellect.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">The only reservation I have is on the 50% Yes/No, but maybe I just need
a clarification.
I see plenty of people potentially voting Yes/No/Abstain(just not
marking a particular candidate).</pre>
</blockquote>
Good suggestion. Text updated to "move YES votes than NO votes".<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2014 9:33 am, Angelos Tzotsos
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:53B0A23D.2080007@gmail.com" type="cite">Perhaps
we should ask for a minimum of Yes votes on each candidate before
acceptance. A fixed percentage of the Charter Members maybe?
</blockquote>
Good suggestion. Added "..as well as 5% of charter members who
voted".<br>
So if there are 180 charter members, and say 100 vote, that would
mean you would need 5 YES votes.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2014 11:51 am, Eli Adam wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CACqBkM8-YN6q6N7OFRsvU2tormYrcsUQ_joRWoTOi1Z70kcHEg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">If the goal is to have an inclusive charter membership, then some of
these voting methods would potentially better accommodate all nominees
based on an evaluation of
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a>.
Even brought up that most OSGeo projects work on some form of
consensus. 50%+ is nothing like consensus. I would support requiring
much less opposition for approval. Perhaps no more than 5-10 "no"
votes. For me, to vote "no" I will need to know the person very well
and know that they lack all or most of these,
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a> or I
will need to know that they actively think or behave counter to one or
more of those characteristics.
Angelos brought up the idea of a minimum level of support. That could
be combined with a minimal level of opposition.</pre>
</blockquote>
Good thoughts. I think there is a balance to be struck between being
exclusive and inclusive, and I think it better to err on being more
inclusive. Hopefully adding in "..as well as 5% of charter members
who voted" should address your concerns.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2014 8:34 pm, Steven Feldman
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:52339912-125B-4DA0-8A23-B42F7A14C130@gmail.com"
type="cite">If we want to avoid "<i>establishing a self-sustaining
oligarchy</i>” then perhaps we need to consider ways of becoming
a mass membership organisation rather than one governed by a self
selecting elite group. </blockquote>
I don't think we need worry to much about "<i>establishing a
self-sustaining oligarchy</i>”. By setting the above criteria, I
think that anyone who fits the "Positive Attributes" will now find
it easy to become a charter member.<br>
<br>
On 30/06/2014 8:34 pm, Steven Feldman wrote:<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:52339912-125B-4DA0-8A23-B42F7A14C130@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Should we consider separating the Charter Members who could
continue to be acknowledged for their contributions to OSGeo
(but maybe by the whole membership not just existing Charter
Members) from the process of voting for the board? If we want to
be open and inclusive we need to empower a larger group of
contributors to vote for the people who set policy and manage
our organisation. Perhaps it could be a requirement for board
membership that candidates have already been voted as charter
members by the wider membership.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We could go for something like the OSM Foundation where
membership at £15/yr entitles you to vote for the Foundation
Board or we could go for a free membership category with some
qualifying criteria.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Adding membership dues for membership breaks our Bylaws, (see below)
and is not something that I'm ready to champion changing before the
next election. (I expect a lawyer would be required to make this
happen).<br>
Adding another membership category could be added, but lets take
this as a separate issue.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2014 6:58 pm, Even Rouault
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:1404118697.53b126a96e1d5@imp.free.fr"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Not answering on behalf of Peter, but a potential idea to solve those issues
would be to combine Cameron proposal of a yes/no vote on each nominee + allow
people to self-nominate them (as you do in political elections). That should
help solving the "self-sustaining oligarchy"
We could add a rule that a self-nominee must at least be seconded by at least X
charter member(s). Such a rule would not particuarly shoking to avoid unrelevant
candidates (e.g. in France to be candidate to the presidential election you must
have at least support from at least 500 already elected persons : mayors,
deputies, etc... But such a rule is regularly contested by "small" candidates.)
Or we could not make it a rule, but allow charter members to express their
support for the candidature of a self-nominee.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
Good idea. I've adjusted a bit and added:<br>
<i>1b. A person who meets the "Positive Attributes for Charter
Members" [1]</i><i>, may ask an charter member who can vouch for
the person to nominate them.<br>
</i>I'm hoping that the revised text is simpler to implement, and
doesn't break existing bylaws.<br>
<i><br>
</i><br>
On 30/06/2014 7:08 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:<br>
<br>
Peter,<br>
I was hoping to keep things simple to administer. I'm hoping the
other comments above addressed your ideas.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/06/2014 9:31 pm, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:53AAB2F7.4040607@gmail.com" type="cite">Following
the community discussion, I further researched OSGeo's foundation
documents, (in retrospect I should have done this earlier).<br>
<br>
Of particular relevance to current discussion is our ByLaws:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html</a><br>
<i>Section 7.1. Admission of [Charter] Members. An initial group
of up to forty-five (45) persons shall be admitted as the
initial [charter] members of the corporation upon the
affirmative vote of the Board of Directors of the corporation.
Thereafter, to be eligible for [charter] membership, a person
must be nominated by an existing [charter] member of the
corporation pursuant to a written document in such form as shall
be adopted by the Board of Directors from time to time. The
nomination must be included in a notice to the [charter] members
at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting at which the
[charter] members will vote on the applicant’s admission.
Proposed [charter] members shall be admitted upon the
affirmative vote of the members of the corporation.</i><br>
<br>
This section implies that the proposal below of automatically
accepting "Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders" is
unconstitutional, as charter members need to be voted into the
role by existing charter members.<br>
<br>
It also implies that while a separate paid membership category
could be created, paid members would still need to be voted into a
charter member role by existing charter members.<br>
<br>
The ByLaws don't mention limiting the number of new charter
members. This criteria seems to have been introduced as a
Membership Process by the 26th Board meeting:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process</a><br>
<i>The number of new members will be between 10% and one third of
the existing charter membership count as decided by the board</i>.<br>
<br>
Such a statement created by the board, could be updated by the
board, and as such the board could agree to accept an unlimited
number of new charter members.<br>
<br>
So I'm now thinking that our election process can be simplified
to:<br>
<br>
1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s)<br>
2. Charter members then vote (in/out) against all nominated
charter members<br>
A suitable criteria for determining whether a nominee qualifies is
listed here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a><br>
4. Nominees with a majority of votes are included as new Charter
Members<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/06/2014 9:52 am, Cameron
Shorter wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:539CE03F.8010005@gmail.com" type="cite">
Within 2 weeks we intend to start our annual process for
selecting new OSGeo charter members.<br>
<br>
In previous years the Charter Member selection process has been
a little contentious. We typically receive numerous nominations
from high caliber members of our community, and insufficient
positions to accept them all. This typically results in
unnecessary disappointment and dissent.<br>
<br>
In response, the OSGeo board has agreed to trial tweaking the
voting process. The aim is to automatically accept recognised
OSGeo community leaders, while continuing with our existing
process which attracts the many valuable community members who
contribute in other ways. Community comments are encouraged, and
will be considered over the next week.<br>
<br>
<b>Design guidelines:</b><br>
<br>
* We want a process which is simple to understand and implement.<br>
* We want a process which encourages recognised OSGeo community
leaders to become OSGeo charter members, while continuing to
accept members from the many other valuable OSGeo roles.<br>
* We want a process which is difficult to abuse.<br>
* For the first iteration, we should err on being more selective
in our criteria, with potential widening of selection criteria
in future years.<br>
<br>
<b>Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders</b><b><br>
</b><br>
OSGeo aims to provide OSGeo Charter Membership to all recognised
OSGeo community leaders who are nominated. Hopefully, sufficient
positions are available. If there are more candidates than
available, then membership will be allocated to the first to be
nominated. Remaining nominees will be automatically offered to
go through the standard voting process.<br>
Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders are defined as people who
have been <b>voted</b> into a position of authority within
official OSGeo projects and committees, where the voting
community includes at least 3 OSGeo charter members.<br>
<br>
Acceptable roles are currently limited to:<br>
* Project Steering Committee member of a Graduated OSGeo Project<br>
* Chair of Official Local Chapter<br>
* Chair of an OSGeo committee<br>
<br>
The application process for recognised OSGeo Community Leaders
is the same as for other nominees.<br>
<br>
Full text of our processes are at:<br>
* <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process_2014</a><br>
* <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014</a></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
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LISAsoft
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2014 11:51 am, Eli Adam wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CACqBkM8-YN6q6N7OFRsvU2tormYrcsUQ_joRWoTOi1Z70kcHEg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Angelos Tzotsos <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"><gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 06/30/2014 12:07 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
2. Charter members then vote (in/out) nominated charter members. This
will
be different to prior years, as we previously voted in a fixed number of
members for a larger selection pool. (eg vote in 20 people from a list of
30). For this year, I propose we have a "Yes/No" vote. Ie, if we have a
list of 30 candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote Yes or No
against each candidate. Each candidate with greater than 50% of YES votes
will be included as new charter members.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Well, I doubt some charter member would vote with "No" for candidates.
And what if you don't know a candidate well enough or not at all?
So I'm not sure this is really a good idea. I believe the result will just
be that all candidates will be accepted ... as in previous years.
Daniel
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
Perhaps we should ask for a minimum of Yes votes on each candidate before
acceptance. A fixed percentage of the Charter Members maybe?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
If the goal is to have an inclusive charter membership, then some of
these voting methods would potentially better accommodate all nominees
based on an evaluation of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a>.
Even brought up that most OSGeo projects work on some form of
consensus. 50%+ is nothing like consensus. I would support requiring
much less opposition for approval. Perhaps no more than 5-10 "no"
votes. For me, to vote "no" I will need to know the person very well
and know that they lack all or most of these,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a> or I
will need to know that they actively think or behave counter to one or
more of those characteristics.
Angelos brought up the idea of a minimum level of support. That could
be combined with a minimal level of opposition.
I know that the process needs proceed soon.
Eli
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Angelos
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Angelos Tzotsos
Remote Sensing Laboratory
National Technical University of Athens
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos">http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos</a>
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