<div dir="ltr">yup, you nailed it. In fact, if the conversation is only about FOSS4G, I couldn't give a rip. Otoh, if the conversation is about OSGeo, its nature and what it stands for, I am all ears, and I do believe many other Charter Members would also want to be included.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just noting,<br>
<br>
discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here<br>
since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it<br>
(actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo<br>
.. or LocationTech.<br>
<br>
It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly)<br>
developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this<br>
case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now<br>
we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole<br>
community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big<br>
organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future<br>
for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.<br>
If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position.<br>
<br>
Jachym<br>
<span class=""><br>
2014-09-17 22:42 GMT+02:00 P Kishor <<a href="mailto:punk.kish@gmail.com">punk.kish@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> My guess is, just as I do, most Charter Members find this entire thread very<br>
> alien. For us who don't go to FOSS4G, OSGeo means something completely<br>
</span>> different (here is where I disagree with an earlier email--I think it was Jo<br>
> Cook--that folks know OSGeo products but not OSGeo). To suddenly hear of all<br>
<div><div class="h5">> this chatter about FOSS4G being used as a football between OSGeo and<br>
> LocationTech (an org I heard about for the first time also in this thread)<br>
> is like waking up at night to find a bunch of strangers chatting in your<br>
> living room.<br>
><br>
> Definitely, involving Charter Members would be a very sound and nice thing<br>
> to do.<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven Feldman <<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters,<br>
>> it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters<br>
>> chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure<br>
>> they must have a view<br>
>> ______<br>
>> Steven<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, <a href="mailto:conference-europe-request@lists.osgeo.org">conference-europe-request@lists.osgeo.org</a> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> From: Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo<br>
>> Date: 17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST<br>
>> To: P Kishor <<a href="mailto:punk.kish@gmail.com">punk.kish@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Puneet,<br>
>> I agree with you, this is an "hot" decision that cannot be taken by a<br>
>> small group of people without at least have heard about what the OSGeo<br>
>> community think about.<br>
>><br>
>> In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that<br>
>> pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel<br>
>> the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those<br>
>> guys.<br>
>><br>
>> BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event.<br>
>><br>
>> For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and share it<br>
>> with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a<br>
>> deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter<br>
>> members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to<br>
>> vote on this.<br>
>><br>
>> So, my proposal is:<br>
>> 1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of<br>
>> collaboration, commitments and guarantees<br>
>> 2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for<br>
>> people to look into this proposal<br>
>> 3) Call for a vote from charter members<br>
>> 4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local<br>
>> Chapters<br>
>> 5) Publish publicly the results<br>
>> 6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a<br>
>> letter of motivation from the Board<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (<a href="http://foss4g-e.org/" target="_blank">http://foss4g-e.org/</a>) states clearly at<br>
>> the home page: "OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software<br>
>> for Geospatial".<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion.<br>
>><br>
>> It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've<br>
>> lost some best practice currently in place.<br>
>><br>
>> Maxi<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> Manager, Science and Data Policy<br>
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