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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I'm also sure all local chapters & charter members have a view, but after the discussion (or discussions?) over the last days it's not quite clear what's the topic anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>is is about:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- collabaration with any other organisation in general?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- collaboration with LocationTech specifically?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- outsourcing tasks (such as organizing large events, e.g .FOSS4G) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- outsourcing on a local or on a global scale<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with Puneet and Massimiliano (and probably serveral others who dropped out of this discussion anyway) to sort of moderate this discussion to make sure we're all discussing the same topic. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In several boards (not specifically osgeo-related, by the way) I have seen to may discussions/polls/votes that seemed to have ended in an agreement, but after which the question arose "OK, we've agreed, but ... agreed on what?"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Seems like a nice taks (for the board, iI guess) to decipher this spaghetti-like discussion into small, manageble (and preferably appetising) pieces. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That will encourage Charter Members & local chapters to (re-)join this valuable discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>kinds regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gert-Jan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>Namens </b>Steven Feldman<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 17 september 2014 22:32<br><b>Aan:</b> <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>; osgeo-board List; conference<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Polling charter members<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Before we get to the stage of polling charter members and local chapters, it would be helpful if more of the charter membership and local chapters chipped in with their opinions. Many seem to have been very quiet, i am sure they must have a view<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>______</span></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span class=apple-style-span>Steven</span><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 17 Sep 2014, at 20:00, <a href="mailto:conference-europe-request@lists.osgeo.org">conference-europe-request@lists.osgeo.org</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"><span style='color:purple'>massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</span></a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>Date:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>17 September 2014 19:22:24 BST</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>P Kishor <<a href="mailto:punk.kish@gmail.com"><span style='color:purple'>punk.kish@gmail.com</span></a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>Cc:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>OSGeo Discussions <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><span style='color:purple'>discuss@lists.osgeo.org</span></a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white'>Puneet,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I agree with you, this is an "hot" decision that cannot be taken by a small group of people without at least have heard about what the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>OSGeo community</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>think about.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>In this tread I have learnt a lot on LocationTech and on motivation that pushed some OSGeo members to embrace also LocationTech. I can really feel the desire to help and foster geospatial open source software from those guys.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>BTW, I also believe that FOSS4G is the OSGeo event. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>For this reason I believe that if OSGeo want to change things and <b>share</b> it with LocationTech (not just let them organize it in the name of), we need a deep OSGeo internal discussion at all level: Local Chapters, Charter members, Committees and finally the Board which has the responsibility to vote on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>So, my proposal is:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>1) Have a formal proposal from LocationTech which explain terms of collaboration, commitments and guarantees<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>2) Publish publicly this proposal for a period (let's say 2 week) for people to look into this proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>3) Call for a vote from charter members<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>4) Call for a letter of position letter from each committee and local Chapters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>5) Publish publicly the results <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>6) Discuss it on the next board meeting and finally have a vote and a letter of motivation from the Board<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>BTW, the FOSS4G-EUROPE website (<a href="http://foss4g-e.org/"><span style='color:purple'>http://foss4g-e.org/</span></a>) states clearly at the home page: "OSGeo's European Conference on Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I hope this doesn't hurt anyone, and brings positive point of discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>It is just my personal thought as a new board member, and sorry if I've lost some best practice currently in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Maxi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>