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To act on the suggestion of Gert-Jan, I want to start a new thread
about the discussion about collaboration of FOSS4G.<br>
I made the topic clear:<br>
<br>
" FOSS4G as revenue stream for OSGeo"<br>
<br>
First I want to mention that the past FOSS4G event in Portland was
well organized. I was not personally there, but this is what I
picked up here and there, so I think this worth-full to mention.<br>
<br>
Until now, the best bid was able to organise the 'global' FOSS4G
conference, and this mechanism is in place since I think 2006 or
2007. Recently local events are organized in almost every continent
of the world, using the same name as umbrella. To organise such an
event there are income and costs. OSGeo was always prepared to take
the financial risk, as an organisation.<br>
<br>
The goal is to have a profitable event, and until now a part of the
profit is returned to OSGeo.org and a part to the organising
committee. (correct me If I'm wrong, because I don't know the
details).<br>
<br>
What I know is that this revenue stream is very important to support
the working costs of the OSGeo organisation, and that discussions
about how to maintain this and how to cope with this are going on.<br>
<br>
I think (and this is how the European LOC is evolving to) a bid
process where the best wins is the way to go in the future. This bid
can then be implemented.<br>
<br>
I don't think for the event in March 2015 there should be any
problem, and I think the board should decide if there is a problem
for 2016, but from 2017 on, the process should be clear for
everybody how to organize a (local) FOSS4G conference. What are the
aspects it makes it a foss4g conference, and how sponsors and
supporting organisations can represent themselves.<br>
<br>
My 2c<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17-09-14 14:18, Gert-Jan van der
Weijden wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jeff,
Andrew, Bart, Jürgen, All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
2 cents:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-
Give this discussion a fresh restart under a new threadname,
since "hacking OSGeo" is a bit biased ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Especially to Jeff: try to make distinction between your
personal opinion and your role as OSGeo president<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-
In the Netherlands we have some discussion on the topic of
collaboration with other (both general and
commercial-oriented) organisations as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Despite
different feelings on this (both within the Dutch board, as
well as in the comunity) we still manage to turn this into a
frank and constructive discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
bet you all can do this on the topic as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">greeting
from the lowlands, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gert-Jan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chairman
of the dutch local chapter OSGeo.nl<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>Andrew
Ross<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 17 september 2014 13:46<br>
<b>Aan:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Bart, Jürgen, All<br>
<br>
Here's a few thoughts that are probably a good place to
start. We started to get into them at Saturday's board
meeting. Feedback here is very welcome.<br>
<br>
1) The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/">FOSS4G North America
2015</a> site mentions the event is a collaborative event
by OSGeo & LocationTech. Is this acceptable? Yes/No <br>
<br>
For what it's worth, our committees felt the above was
totally fine.<br>
<br>
Just in case not everyone was aware, the Eclipse
Foundation's (aka LocationTech's) role in the event is to
finance/underwrite, organize logistics like catering/Audio
& Visual/etc, develop the web sites, handle
registration, handle all the on-site details during the
event, and business development/ working with sponsors
throughout. <br>
<br>
Our committees (Organizing & Program) are made up of
people from the FOSS4G community which transcends OSGeo,
LocationTech, & beyond. They decide the program content
at arm's length and have heavy influence over how the
conference looks/feels and any special programs we're doing
such as diversity, outreach, and social events/aspects of
the conference.<br>
<br>
2) For future global events where the Eclipse Foundation
(aka. LocationTech) provides organizing logistics as
described in #1, would the same representation on the
website as #1 be acceptable? Yes/No<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
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On 17/09/14 02:29, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>some of the discussions started on the conference e-mail list a while back (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/</a>) but only recently this discussion moved to the discuss list. That might explain some of the confusion.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I don’t think there is any information which is not out in the open as yet.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Andrew is best to comment on your other question, but I personally was mostly interested to see how conference organising could benefit from LocationTech’s offer to help.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>No board decision has happened as yet. Normally after discussion settles in the community, the board might vote on specific motions that are brought to the table, but this step of the process has not yet been reached.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Hope this clarifies a bit, and sorry for the unsettling irritation all this has caused.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Bart<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On 17 Sep 2014, at 10:21, Jürgen E. Fischer <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jef@norbit.de"><jef@norbit.de></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Hi Bart,<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>On Wed, 17. Sep 2014 at 09:49:51 +0200, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>can you please at least give the board a chance to form an opinion on this?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>If it ever gets to the point that a motion is on the table and you have not<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>been persuaded, you can always vote -1.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Did an essential piece of information not get into the open yet, did I merely<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>miss it or just missed to see it's importance?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Is it "just" the FOSS4G event organisation that LocationTech apparently wants<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>to help (more?) with or is there more?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>What pending board decision is causing all this (rather unsettling) irritation?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Jürgen<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
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