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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeff, Andrew, Bart, Jürgen, All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My 2 cents:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Give this discussion a fresh restart under a new threadname, since "hacking OSGeo" is a bit biased ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Especially to Jeff: try to make distinction between your personal opinion and your role as OSGeo president<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- In the Netherlands we have some discussion on the topic of collaboration with other (both general and commercial-oriented) organisations as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Despite different feelings on this (both within the Dutch board, as well as in the comunity) we still manage to turn this into a frank and constructive discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I bet you all can do this on the topic as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>greeting from the lowlands, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gert-Jan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chairman of the dutch local chapter OSGeo.nl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>Namens </b>Andrew Ross<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 17 september 2014 13:46<br><b>Aan:</b> discuss@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Bart, Jürgen, All<br><br>Here's a few thoughts that are probably a good place to start. We started to get into them at Saturday's board meeting. Feedback here is very welcome.<br><br>1) The <a href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/">FOSS4G North America 2015</a> site mentions the event is a collaborative event by OSGeo & LocationTech. Is this acceptable? Yes/No <br><br>For what it's worth, our committees felt the above was totally fine.<br><br>Just in case not everyone was aware, the Eclipse Foundation's (aka LocationTech's) role in the event is to finance/underwrite, organize logistics like catering/Audio & Visual/etc, develop the web sites, handle registration, handle all the on-site details during the event, and business development/ working with sponsors throughout. <br><br>Our committees (Organizing & Program) are made up of people from the FOSS4G community which transcends OSGeo, LocationTech, & beyond. They decide the program content at arm's length and have heavy influence over how the conference looks/feels and any special programs we're doing such as diversity, outreach, and social events/aspects of the conference.<br><br>2) For future global events where the Eclipse Foundation (aka. LocationTech) provides organizing logistics as described in #1, would the same representation on the website as #1 be acceptable? Yes/No<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Andrew<br><br><br>On 17/09/14 02:29, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hi Jurgen,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>some of the discussions started on the conference e-mail list a while back (<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/</a>) but only recently this discussion moved to the discuss list. That might explain some of the confusion.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I don’t think there is any information which is not out in the open as yet.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Andrew is best to comment on your other question, but I personally was mostly interested to see how conference organising could benefit from LocationTech’s offer to help.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>No board decision has happened as yet. Normally after discussion settles in the community, the board might vote on specific motions that are brought to the table, but this step of the process has not yet been reached.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Hope this clarifies a bit, and sorry for the unsettling irritation all this has caused.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Bart<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 17 Sep 2014, at 10:21, Jürgen E. Fischer <a href="mailto:jef@norbit.de"><jef@norbit.de></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hi Bart,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On Wed, 17. Sep 2014 at 09:49:51 +0200, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>can you please at least give the board a chance to form an opinion on this?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>If it ever gets to the point that a motion is on the table and you have not<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>been persuaded, you can always vote -1.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Did an essential piece of information not get into the open yet, did I merely<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>miss it or just missed to see it's importance?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Is it "just" the FOSS4G event organisation that LocationTech apparently wants<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to help (more?) with or is there more?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>What pending board decision is causing all this (rather unsettling) irritation?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Jürgen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13 Fax. +49-4931-918175-50<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Software Engineer D-26506 Norden <a href="http://www.norbit.de">http://www.norbit.de</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>QGIS release manager (PSC) Germany IRC: jef on FreeNode <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>