<div dir="ltr">Dear All,<div>I will try to summarize the discussion points and proposed actions. (Please correct me, add points or actions i didn't see.)</div><div><br></div><div>For all of the point I think we need a clear proposal for change with motivation, or at least a description of the issues, otherwise we go on discussing each one with its partial view of the things.<br></div><div><br><div>We three topics on the table (maybe in order of time deadlines and in reverse order of impact on the future of the foundation):<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1) <b>FOSS4G-NA</b></div><div><b><br></b></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div>Apparently LocationTech is going to organize FOSS4G-NA as co-owner together with OSGeo (<a href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/" target="_blank">https://2015.foss4g-na.org/</a>). </div></div><div><div>Here I see two discussion elements:</div></div><div><div>- Does OSGeo have ownership on FOSS4G event (I think yes, at least morally)</div></div><div><div>- Does OSGeo as a whole community accept to "share" the FOSS4G event with another institution? And in this case, based on what decision (why LocationTech and not another, etc.) and what process? </div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><div><u>ACTION: ?????</u></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>2) FOSS4G</b></div><div><b><br></b></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div>It has been argued that to organize better FOSS4G events OSGeo should give a mandate to a single company specialized in professional event organizer.</div></div><div><div>I don't know the rationale behind this (maybe expand in number of participants, being more attractive for industry, be more fashinable?) also because I was not in Portland.</div></div><div><div>Nevertheless, some discussion on how to make FOSS4G better is in place (I have to admit that i don't know if better means with more people or with more content or whatever) and a need for re-factory came out.</div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><div><u>ACTION: </u><u>Cameron <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future</span></u></div></div><div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>3) OSGeo objectives</b></div><div><b><br></b></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div>It seems that the OSGeo goals are no more actual or they do not reflect the direction of the last years. Someone argue that there is a need to revise and eventually re-define them.</div></div><div><div>I don't think it is the case, I just think we need a roadmap (Yes like projects!) to decide which actions OSGeo is willing to start, how to achieve the objectives and hopefully conclude successfully.</div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><div><u>ACTION: </u><u>Jachym volunteer to set up a survey to understand the Charter member opinion</u></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Maxi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-19 8:47 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to<br>
get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and<br>
structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google<br>
forms<br>
<br>
Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future,<br>
but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has "some"<br>
functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing,<br>
what we want to do?<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
J<br>
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2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">bartvde@osgis.nl</a>>:<br>
> Hey Jachym,<br>
><br>
> wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to<br>
> "professionalize" FOSS4G organising?<br>
><br>
> And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ?<br>
><br>
> Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use<br>
> that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good<br>
> questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail<br>
> and worked on by multiple people IMHO.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Bart<br>
><br>
> On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky <<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO<br>
> more valuable output<br>
><br>
> ?<br>
><br>
> J<br>
><br>
> Send from cellphone<br>
><br>
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> On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future,<br>
>> with sections that people can add comments into.<br>
>> I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours.<br>
>><br>
>> On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear All<br>
>> I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking<br>
>> themselves what it is happening.<br>
>> Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has<br>
>> happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members<br>
>> vote.<br>
>> Maria<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
>> Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano<br>
>><br>
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>><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> conto di Margherita Di Leo <<a href="mailto:diregola@gmail.com">diregola@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> A: Jachym Cepicky<br>
>> Cc: <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven<br>
>> Feldman<br>
>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members<br>
>><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Just noting,<br>
>>><br>
>>> discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here<br>
>>> since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it<br>
>>> (actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo<br>
>>> .. or LocationTech.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly)<br>
>>> developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this<br>
>>> case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now<br>
>>> we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole<br>
>>> community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big<br>
>>> organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future<br>
>>> for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.<br>
>>> If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position.<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the<br>
>> topic, here i can offer my 2 cents..<br>
>> It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the<br>
>> elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed<br>
>> the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another<br>
>> thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe)<br>
>> not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is<br>
>> being called to express their opinion. What does it mean "to cooperate" and<br>
>> what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case<br>
>> cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event<br>
>> at stake here?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for any pointers<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
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>><br>
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