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    Patrick, others,<br>
    OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in
    stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API</a><br>
    <br>
    I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a
    vendor lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should
    consider developing a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate.<br>
    <br>
    0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?)<br>
    1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well
    enough to describe them?)<br>
    2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the
    other, on both a technical and commercial point of view.<br>
    3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard?<br>
    4. If needed, collect signatures.<br>
    5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should
        be opened up for scrutiny by the entire community and we should
        all weigh in.
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM,
            Suchith Anand <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk"
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            wrote:<br>
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              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
              Patrick,<br>
              <br>
              Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the
              OSGeo Board need to look into this and prepare a position
              paper with inputs from the community as this has wider
              implications. This also need to be discussed with like
              minded organisations. We all can provide the needed
              support for this.<br>
              <br>
              Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month
              Board meeting's  agenda items. Thanks.<br>
              <br>
              Best wishes,<br>
              <br>
              Suchith<br>
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              On Behalf Of Lene Fischer [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:lfi@ign.ku.dk">lfi@ign.ku.dk</a>]<br>
              Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM<br>
              To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS,
              and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI<br>
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              Lene Fischer<br>
              Associate Professor<br>
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              Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management<br>
              University of Copenhagen<br>
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                value="+4540115084">+45 40115084</a><br>
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              På vegne af Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)<br>
              Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48<br>
              Til: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the
              “LAZ clone” by ESRI<br>
              <br>
              Dear OSGEO,<br>
              For what our good name is worth. . .<br>
              Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open
              standard for a data format?<br>
              Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual
              and collective response encouraged.<br>
              <br>
              Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our
              values? I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident,
              that all [data] are created equal, that they are endowed
              by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
              among these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
              Openness].”<br>
              <br>
              The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/"
                target="_blank">http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/</a><br>
              <br>
              [First paragraph]<br>
              We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet
              another proprietary format into wide-spread deployment.
              Forwarded emails, retold conversations, and personal
              experiences suggest that sneaky tactics<<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/"
                target="_blank">http://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/</a>>
              are being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR
              formats that we have enjoyed for many years.<br>
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              Thanks much,<br>
              -Patrick<br>
              <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Patrick.Hogan@nasa.gov">Patrick.Hogan@nasa.gov</a><mailto:<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Patrick.Hogan@nasa.gov">Patrick.Hogan@nasa.gov</a>><br>
               Project Manager<br>
              NASA World Wind<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28650%29%20604-5656"
                value="+16506045656">(650) 604-5656</a> (office)<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28650%29%20269-2788"
                value="+16502692788">(650) 269-2788</a> (cell)<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Puneet Kishor<br>
              Manager, Science and Data Policy<br>
              Creative Commons<br>
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