<p dir="ltr">I do not feel like I can bring anything useful to this discussion, but I want to express my gratitude that embracing diversity is on the agenda. This alone is a sign for me that everybody is welcome in this community.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 3, 2015 1:06 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I've been reading a lot of CoC statements over the last few days, and can see how there has been a continual refinement with each new version over time.<br>
<br>
2010: Geek Feminism Anti Harassment Policy, <a href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy" target="_blank">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/<u></u>wiki/Conference_anti-<u></u>harassment_policy</a><br>
<br>
2012: JSConf Code of Conduct, <a href="http://jsconf.com/codeofconduct.html" target="_blank">http://jsconf.com/<u></u>codeofconduct.html</a><br>
<br>
2012: O'Reilly Code of Conduct, <a href="http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html" target="_blank">http://www.oreilly.com/<u></u>conferences/code-of-conduct.<u></u>html</a><br>
<br>
April 2014: Debian Code of Conduct, <a href="https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/code_<u></u>of_conduct</a><br>
<br>
Dec 2014: Apache CoC, <a href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html" target="_blank">https://www.apache.org/<u></u>foundation/policies/conduct.<u></u>html</a><br>
<br>
I like the Apache CoC, which is well written, and refines and extends the best of prior CoCs.<br>
<br>
My thoughts are now moving toward adopting a CoC based on this Apache CoC.<br>
<br>
On 3/04/2015 5:38 pm, Eli Adam wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
With so many variants on the CoC/Diversity Statement, it would be great if a<br>
international standard could be created, such as done for Open Source<br>
Licenses.<br>
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I think that there are a few CoC consolidation efforts like that<br>
currently, here is one [4] and another [5] that reference the first.<br>
I can't find all the links right now but recall them from the past.<br>
There was some OSM work to make one specific to mailing lists [6].<br>
Here are a handful of additional CoCs too [7], [8], [9], [10].<br>
<br>
CoC is inherently different than licenses. Licenses have<br>
compatibility issues and there are strong forces which promote<br>
well-known compatible licenses. Various companies have lawyers review<br>
licenses for compatibility too. There is no concept of compatibility<br>
in CoC, nor are diverse legal resources dedicated to it. So CoC is a<br>
realm (unlike licenses) where everyone can have their just slightly<br>
different CoC without causing incompatibility. Despite the<br>
variability, all strive to promote a safe, productive, functioning<br>
community for all.<br>
<br>
Eli<br>
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[4] <a href="http://citizencodeofconduct.org/" target="_blank">http://citizencodeofconduct.<u></u>org/</a><br>
[5] <a href="http://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html" target="_blank">http://www.rust-lang.org/<u></u>conduct.html</a><br>
[6] <a href="https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/osmlab/<u></u>codes-of-conduct/blob/master/<u></u>mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.<u></u>md</a><br>
[7] <a href="https://github.com/codeforamerica/codeofconduct" target="_blank">https://github.com/<u></u>codeforamerica/codeofconduct</a><br>
[8] <a href="https://github.com/twitter/code-of-conduct" target="_blank">https://github.com/twitter/<u></u>code-of-conduct</a><br>
[9] <a href="https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct" target="_blank">https://github.com/python/<u></u>pycon-code-of-conduct</a><br>
[10] <a href="https://github.com/selenamarie/conference_policies" target="_blank">https://github.com/<u></u>selenamarie/conference_<u></u>policies</a> (list of<br>
others, mostly ~2012)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<u></u>Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_<u></u>Conduct</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<u></u>Diversity#Debian_Code_of_<u></u>Conduct</a><br>
[3]<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<u></u>Diversity#Geek_Feminism_<u></u>Template_Anti_Harassment_<u></u>Policy</a><br>
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On 31/03/2015 5:40 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:<br>
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Yes, I agree. Diversity also refers to language. We have to start reason on<br>
that as a richness and not as a barrier. I like to have this item in the<br>
CoC.<br>
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Thanks.<br>
<br>
Best.<br>
<br>
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Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was:<br>
Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
My experience within OSGeo was positive so far. At FOSS4G, sometimes people<br>
forget, that half of the crowd speaks English only occasionally, which can<br>
lead to misunderstandings.<br>
<br>
Anyway: I would like to point out, that it is not only matter of writing,<br>
but also talking (at foss4gs, sprints, ...) In public but also in private,<br>
what can be even harder than writing (you can not take your time to figure<br>
out the best way how to express, what you need).<br>
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And yes, having something like that in CoC would be nice.<br>
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Thanks all for the feedback.<br>
So my question is:<br>
1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that we have a<br>
multilingual community?<br>
<br>
I believe it's still a good idea.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2. What should we recommend that all, and especially native speakers do to<br>
make our community welcoming to non-native speakers?<br>
<br>
I'd suggest, just a reminder that the level of written English can vary a<br>
lot, ranging from cases where the lack of fluency is<br>
<br>
evident, to cases where the sentence seems just too direct/rude, so<br>
generally speaking, it's a good idea to try and be patient<br>
<br>
and understanding.<br>
<br>
Sometimes I wish there was a guide of typical expectations/orientations<br>
varying culture by culture, to try<br>
<br>
and understand better where people are coming from and put what they say in<br>
context (this example<br>
<br>
might be wrong or just a silly generalizations, but just to give you an<br>
idea, I've heard<br>
<br>
Japanese normally won't say no in a conversation, you have to figure it out,<br>
and other cultures surely<br>
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have their "surprising" traits as well).<br>
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Cheers<br>
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