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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/25/15 10:34, Sanghee Shin wrote:<br>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Dear All,
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Thank you for all your
great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing lists
and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough
on this. </div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">I agree with Maria and
Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in Seoul.
I’ll explore the possibility whether we can have that spaces
before/during/after FOSS4G Seoul and will report to you. </div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">And I also agree with
some advices that because my presentation was highly dependent
on verbal explanation, it not so effective itself to deliver my
clear intention. I’ll think about how to handle this. </div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Thanks again for great
and wonderful inputs. </div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">How about having a break
for while?</div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">All the best, </div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true" class="">Sanghee</div>
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Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul <br class="">
"Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!"<br
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@foss4g<br class="">
Facebook: FOSS4G2015</div>
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<div class="">2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:22, Massimiliano Cannata <<a
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작성:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Once again I express my opinion:
<div class="">I think that OSGeo shall express and support
a CoC that is respecting diversity in any form, but we
don not have the right to censure anything.</div>
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<div class="">If something really bad happens than someone
will take action based on the agreed CoC.</div>
<div class="">Do we really want to argue about the images
and content of anyone presentation? </div>
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<div class="">The community is the best referee of the
conduct of its members not a bunch of people deciding
what is good or not.</div>
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<div class="">And YES, we can discuss it in Seoul to find
a way to rise attention to the CoC and discuss more (but
friendly and with respect of diversity ;-) )</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-25 10:07 GMT+02:00 Pat
Tressel <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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<div class="">I hesitate to step into the
"sexism in tech" debate, but... There
may be some recent events that folks
aren't aware of, that may be relevant --
some specifically have to do with
conferences. This list is not R-rated,
so rather than directly describe the
relevant events, I'll just give you
search queries that will bring them up:<br
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"PyCon donglegate"<br class="">
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"TechCrunch sexism"<br class="">
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"Pax Dickenson brogrammer"<br class="">
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"GamerGate"<br class="">
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Those are only tips of the iceberg -- they are
specific symptoms of a more general attitude.
I've listed them in order of seriousness. I
expect that these will get the "that's just PC"
objection, but are threats of rape and murder
really just "for fun"? And if the objection is
that women just just force their way into tech, I
have two words for you: hiring manager. And no,
not all of us have the resources to start our own
companies. Venture funding is rarely offered to
women.<br class="">
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When I worked as a software engineer for Digital
Equipment Corporation (DEC) in the 90s, the group
I was in was half women. No, not secretaries and
support staff -- engineers. But there was a
difference in attitude, which one can see in the
fact that although DEC ceased to exist in 1998
(sold to Compaq), we *still have reunions* and
active social networks. The switch to
deliberately provoking competition and infighting
between employees, via stack ranking and similar
management fads, is exacerbating the rise of
sexism in tech -- there is now an aspect of "us
against them". Because employment is a zero-sum
game, (re)entry of women in tech would mean fewer
positions and less money for men. (Competing
against other men doesn't trigger the same level
of response since men are already in the pool --
it's the thought of the pool *doubling* that is
causing this fear.) Since this style of
management (stemming from Jack Welch) is taught in
b-schools, it will take some time to turn the ship
around. But there are some signs of light:
Microsoft recently cancelled stack ranking, and is
making a significant effort to reestablish
teamwork and cooperation. That took being
publicly shamed (see the article in Vanity Fair,
titled ~ "How Stack Ranking Killed Innovation at
Microsoft") and a new CEO (Satya Nadella,
replacing Steve Ballmer).<br class="">
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There's also plain old bias. This research by
Google HR is fascinating:<br class="">
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<div class="">Watch especially where ~ the
entire audience, men and women both, fails
the test, right there on camera...<br
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